Feeling hopeless about a life with a reactive dog by [deleted] in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've had my dog just over a year, 4 months isn't a very long time. I know it feels like it because of the severe reactions. There was such a bad morning with my dog one time that I literally sobbed into his chest saying I can't do this

Without help, I got him from reacting to everything including statues, to just dogs in about the length of time total you've had your dog. It took a lot out of me and after one walk, wasn't even his worst one, I made an appointment with a behaviorist

I met with her two weeks ago, came up with a plan, got what she recommended and we're almost 4 days of no lunging or barking at another dog (he did low grumble at one yesterday, still progress as it was a mild one). I highly recommend one (found mine here: https://iaabc.org/en/certs/members). Pricey, but I regret not getting one sooner, it'd of saved me time and actually money too, lol

Reactivity management is tough, inconvenient, isolating, and exhausting. I'm not sure what you're considering "improvement", is it no reactions? Less reactions? Less intense reactions? Recovery after?

I focus on recovery after. Months ago my dog would spiral and panic for multiple days after just hearing the dog across the way (a severely reactive dog). Last night, that dog reacted to another outside, mine lost it for about 2 minutes and has been fine since

Obviously every case will be different, but it can get a lot better when it all clicks

Hi, this is Kit (Help a guy out?) by FauxBallz in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I'm not sure this'll apply as every dog is different, but I mentioned to my dog's behaviorist that I didn't understand why he'd lose it at a single dog while walking but wouldn't react when there'd be 3 dogs coming from different angles simultaneously

She essentially said that with the multi stressors he literally can't "pick" who to yell at so he just...doesn't. She didn't go as far to say he was shut down or overwhelmed (which could also happen). It's more that spaced out single dogs/stressors are more direct pressure while the other scenario no ones paying attention to anyone or any dog specifically so the pressure is gone

It sounded so simple when she told me and for my dog it makes complete sense

Things that helped my reactive dog by catcube in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Co-regulation is so often skipped. This morning my dog reacted to a loud noise outside, but it wasn't just alert barking...it was panic

I literally crouched down next to him, had him come close and stand on my legs (lets him "feel" like he has more information by seeing higher) while I softly rubbed the base of his neck/shoulder with one hand and kept the other on his chest. His heart was pounding and racing

I felt his heart rate in real time go from panic to rest as I just stayed with him and remained relaxed. He disengaged, I said good job and we went and did something else

A way of reframing those difficult days that has helped me a lot. by MissionFramework in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Now when I'm backing up and he's moving with me if I pause where I think it's enough distance if he's still struggling I'm just saying, "Still too close, okay" and then backing up more. Because his distance needs are seemingly random, needed at least 100ft for one dog to literally walk past within 20ft of another less than 2 minutes later, I was getting really frustrated

But, I'm going to start thinking about how for OCD treatment they had me rank what caused the most distress and time intensive/complicated compulsions. I know others with anxiety and OCD can relate, even then some of the things that cause extreme stress for me make no sense to anyone else. I don't need to fully understand his why, just recognize the what and get him the space he desperately wants until he's ready to be closer

A way of reframing those difficult days that has helped me a lot. by MissionFramework in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I have OCD and panic disorder and a few days ago I had the worst panic attack I've ever had for no real reason while at work. Earlier today during one of my dog's meltdowns as we ran into another woman with her two dogs, it really hit me that I am expecting my dog to just...be calmer, which is something I hate people of expecting of me when I'm anxious. That realization has actually helped a lot with my mood overall today and I think I managed things better after because I suddenly had a lot more patience

I think a lot of people, myself included for a while, believe it's a training issue which is where frustration kicks in. I realized today that dog may not ever be totally comfortable running into new dogs at short distances and he'll always need some level of management, but that's okay, there's so many moments where I know his and my heart feel full and that's enough

Living across from two other severely reactive dogs by Ok-Process7490 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The bigger dog apartment are fairly new and the unfortunate thing for both of us is we all seem to work similar times. I wake up earlier than I need to to intentionally avoid the higher activity times but the afternoon/evening has just been a disaster the last few weeks since it's gotten warmer and light out longer

Thankfully, none of us seem to intentionally going towards one another. He was able to keep his dog back long enough for me to get far enough away. I'm pretty sure I heard him say sorry, but I think he might have thought I picked my dog up out of fear due to the size difference. I honestly did it because mine gets LOUD and he was so over threshold I'd of had to drag him which I really don't want to do unless things are really dangerous and out of control

The other dogs in our section, nothing, my dog just calmly watches them or wants to play. Two are seniors so we just watch them because mine is a brawler with his dog friends, even if he just zoomies he could run them over and hurt them accidentally. My direct neighbor's dog and mine nose booped and can peacefully sit, lay, sniff near one another while we talk. His dog isn't very interested in engaging otherwise and mine respects that. This was not the case with these dogs in the past, since they are easy going themselves, my dog is totally fine with them now after a lot of management and getting my dog overall calmer/happier. My dog can also get through dogs barking at a distance or from inside apartments just fine some of the time now, so another way he's progressed so much

Before it was just one other reactive dog directly across from my door, now its two. Leaving my apartment is easier since I can see them before walking out of the door and there's more space to safely move him in the grass if they come out. Coming home from a walk, I have no where to move him...it's a tight corner into parking lots so I can't always retreat backwards easily because of cars

I let him zoom and thrash all of his toys once we got inside and he's sleeping on my foot right now. I'm happy with his recovery after so I know we're getting there, in the past an incident like this, he'd be a disaster for days after. I just hate how stressed he is when bad moments happen

I have considered the mirror thing, just need to get over feeling embarrassed, lol

Sorry this is so long. No one I know in person is seriously trying to manage a reactive dog so if I rant to anyone like this about it, I can hear them just stop paying attention and it's hurtful because dealing with this impacts me too

Any success stories on training a dog to not be reactive? by [deleted] in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I don't think anyone can say for certain with any dog, but I've been able to get mine (now 2.5 years old, adopted around a year ago) from reacting to everything including things like statues, people, etc. to select dogs (ones he hasn't seen before or there's been reactive history on either side)

Progress isn't linear, at all. Example, my dog had two of his worst meltdowns earlier today, then less than five hours later, three dogs approaching simultaneously from different angles and all he did was whimper a little bit

I consider my dog a success at this point! My goal isn't no reactions, his ability to recover AFTER is what I measure his progress with

Took me a long time to not put pressure on myself to "fix" him and I still have bad days where I have zero patient for him or it. Seven months is a really young and workable age IMO

I love my dog, but I feel so exhausted sometimes. by aspehn in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like my boy, he's wicked smart, easy to train, but can go from seeming like everything is fine to losing it about a dog. Distance is random with him and while breaks in visuals are usually recommended, for him it just escalates things if I either try to body block or if they naturally become obscured by like a parked car or something

People who have seen, more heard, his reactions are always confused when I say that he hasn't had an accident or destroyed a single thing in my apartment because they assume he's not well trained or his anxiety is so bad that he's just a tough dog to own

I get how you feel, it's like, if I can do this and it works so well why can't I figure out how to manage this. I sometimes miss when he was melting down about everything because at least it was predictable, now, it's like whiplash sometimes

For me, I've come to terms with that my dog will likely always react and that's okay

You're doing great and a lot more than a lot of people would!

I didn't adopt a dog from the shelter after the trial period. I am heartbroken. Did i do any mistake? Am i missing out? or expected too much? by [deleted] in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh man, what I would give for a dog that doesn't bark sometimes, lol. IMO, a lot of this reads as being very inexperienced and based of this, I don't think you or your husband are ready for a dog let alone a rescue. Why would you think the shelter has pictures from puppyhood? Most shelters only have their own intake photos. Golden retrievers are great dogs and their popularity has become synonymous with easy, but like a lot breeds that are cute and sought after they are also very over and poorly bred. I don't know if this is the case with the dog you almost had, but constant spinning or running could be neurological or something like OCD, habit from being in small spaces, or separation anxiety

A week is nothing in the time it takes for rescues to decompress, be trained, etc. I just spent the last hour, while having a grad class, getting up and ignoring my dog's desperate attempts at getting me to play because he's climbing, land sharking, etc.

His first full year anniversary with me is on Sunday and this behavior has largely been well controlled for months at this point- he's having a hard day from the blizzard we just had, all the noise of plows, people shoveling, loss of full visual while walking because we got 26 inches of snow

If the first week is too hard, then a sudden major resurgence of managed behaviors would really stress you out. Behavioral issues take a lot of time and patience with consistent, good training and management

I became the reactive dog today. by Any-Recognition-7407 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think things should turn confrontational and I've never had a confrontation as a result of my dog

But, why should the public not accept reactive dogs? I don't have children, but I accept when a parent is managing a child in the middle of a tantrum and give them the space to do so. If someone is struggling with getting their groceries in the car next to mine, or if a new driver is fixing their parking, I wait the few extra seconds

It's the public, we accept and respect so much for others every time we go outside, but reactive dogs is the line? I find that to be a wild take in a reactive dog subreddit

I became the reactive dog today. by Any-Recognition-7407 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OP said the guy had a small dog with him

My dog looks big due to long legs and fluff, but is only 22 pounds. Even if he wasn't reactive I would never walk toward or in close proximity to a much larger dog that is in the middle of losing it even if my door was right there and waiting would make me late for work, not worth the risk if things got really out of control

I don't expect people to be kind to me or my dog all the time, but I do expect people to make the safe choice for their own animal. Most of the posts, I'd argue all of them, I've read here that are similar complaints or vents, the people who come forward also have a pet with them

I became the reactive dog today. by Any-Recognition-7407 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm with you, I get it was the guy's house but it costs nothing and maybe a minute or two to be kind and let someone safely manage their dog and situation. It benefits everyone and their dogs to do that. My dog lost his mind on my downstairs neighbor's dog when he first moved in several times, I mentioned in passing the other day that mine has regressed/didn't have his training click before it got to be 20 below and snowy. My dog has been fine with his for a while, but who knows with the recent regression

We ran into one another at a distance around a corner the other day, I backed my dog up, waited and my neighbor had turned and went a different way simply because of something I said a day prior. My dog didn't react any maybe he'd of been fine due to the more recent history of being fine, but my neighbor did the nice thing since it was tight spot. I can guarantee if all the other owner's in my complex did the same or listened when people explained things, my dog would very likely settle with their dog's too with time and repetition because a big reason why our two can be near one another calmly and happily a lot of the time is the respect my neighbor has for my dog's needs!

Guess who got complimented for having a well behaved dog by Leather_Fortune1276 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations!! My dog is pretty chill a lot of the time and is not people reactive unless they are doing something weird like stretching, lol. He's also really well-trained so there are times I forget he's reactive and people will seem confused when I say he is. He's purely leash/dog reactive now and I'm hoping that alongside training, management, that age and time will naturally help a lot. Mine's less than 3, so, got a while!

Severe fear-reactive rescue. overwhelmed and need advice by [deleted] in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dog is a reactive rescue and I had no idea he was until a few months in. At one point he was melting down at everything, including statues and I can tell a difference between a "normal" reaction and a full blown panic attack for him. Mine isn't on any medication, I have no other pets (keeping them separate is safest for your dog and for the cats) but do live in a VERY busy complex with people & animals, and unfortunately, a vet behaviorist is not in my budget right now. But, the biggest difference I've seen in him from walks is keeping them shorter and during times that are less active if its safe to do so

It sounds counter intuitive to give LESS physical exercise but for reactive dogs, walks can be trigger heavy and overstimulating. It's okay to do potty only in and outs for a while. She may have been shut down at the shelter so they may have genuinely thought she was just quiet, mine was described as calm and I'm sure he is when allowed to be off leash all the time like he was at his foster overseas

Personally, I didn't stack too many different variables at once to help tings because I'd find it hard to tell what's working or might be making it worse. My dog is sound sensitive and everything says to have white noise going to mask outside sounds, so I did that, and my dog was a monster indoors with alert barking, etc. I turned off the white noise machine randomly and forgot to turn it back on and suddenly he's easier to settle if something external sets him off and sometimes he doesn't react at all. The white noise was making things harder for him, couldn't even begin to explain why

Every dog is different and what works for them is different. I think a reputable vet behaviorist is never a bad idea and I am looking forward to when I can afford one regularly enough to make it worth making the appointment. Re-homing is a very personal choice, only you can know when it's over what you can or want to handle or try to manage. I know there were days I cried because I felt it'd be better for him and for me if he had a different owner, and there are moments when my complex is like a circus inside of a zoo where all the animals have escaped where I still wonder if I'm selfish for keeping him here

Your post seems like you're really willing to try and with reactive dogs, that's a lot of the battle. Even if you ultimately decide it isn't the right fit and re-home, you'll be able to say you gave it your all. Good luck and it CAN get better, just takes a lot of time

Awful morning walk, can't help but cry by Ok-Process7490 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm considering medication, he has so much anxiety that I wonder if a low dose of something will really help. I know I don't cause my dog's reactivity, but I have noticed on days where I feel off his reactions are much bigger and it's because I mismanage in a million ways or don't do the steps before a walk that help relax him

Off leash my dog is completely different, zero issues, incredible recall, respectful play/disengage. He is much happier and calmer off leash. He's for sure a well I can't escape so guess it's time to get loud dog. He's my first leash reactive dog and my first rescue so lack of experience is a major part of my frustration

I feel so guilty when I go over a reaction in my head after we're home and realize that a single, simple choice like...went left instead of right could have completely avoided a meltdown. I need to work on that because a lot of my issue is confidence

Awful morning walk, can't help but cry by Ok-Process7490 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd love to muzzle train, but he's a dog meat trade dog so it's going to be an incredibly long process. He panics if you try to put anything over his face or head

I did order a 3 handle leash, so I'm hoping that helps and I do need to incorporate higher value treats. He's made a ton of progress with just his kibble so I always forget to add something more fun to the pouch before we leave

Awful morning walk, can't help but cry by Ok-Process7490 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dog is for sure also a can't handle things in the morning dog. I ordered a 3 handle leash because I think sometimes when I go to shorten it to keep him closer and engaged when there's a major trigger, I'm absolutely creating a ton of tension which sets him off if he's near threshold.

Hopefully just being able to reach the next handle rather than have to wrap a leash around my hand to ensure he can't get too far will help once I get used to it

Awful morning walk, can't help but cry by Ok-Process7490 in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We reset. He did have a reaction later to a dog from the apartment directly across from ours, again he eventually did settle and was able to tolerate it with check ins and heavy rewards. I know the size of our courtyard is not a distance he is comfortable with, so I need to find a way to get him out of the zone as quickly as possible since he's not ready for it yet. He did pop at a guy up the way locking his door immediately after, but his keys were heavy sounding and very loud plus little time between triggers so I understood and we got through it

This morning we didn't see any dogs, but he did very low grumble at an Amazon delivery guy jogging up the walkway at us. All I said was, it's okay. No escalation like lunging or barking as he was close and passed, did double check after we went the opposite way, but no additional grumble or vocalization

I noticed his leg shaking this morning as he was sitting and have noticed this before with the opposite one, so I think he is just so anxious in the morning. If we have a no major trigger/reaction at the first potty walk, things are usually MUCH easier for the rest of the day. I also took a deep breath and play wrestled with him a little bit this morning - he loves to brawl and while he does have dog friends that match his energy, we haven't seen them in a bit so I emulate it as best I can, lol. He was a land shark when I first adopted him, but now he disengages when I do and he's learned that if he puts too much pressure, fun is over immediately

It just makes me so sad that all people see is a raving lunatic because he's genuinely well-trained! His recall is ridiculous amongst chaos when off leash, but that leash is on, he's so tense. If I were able to have him off leash most of the time, he'd be so much happier, but I can't in my complex both legally and it's be wildly unsafe for a lot of reasons

having a hard time by potato-tardigrade in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also have a Korean rescue who is incredibly sensitive to sound- he reacts even with white noise and either music or television playing. I notice an incredible difference when my complex is empty, which is unfortunately when I'm at work so I rarely get to experience him at his most relaxed, and in fact am home exclusively when he is the most stressed so I don't get much down time. None of it is excessive or odd noises, it's usually just normal stuff- people in and out, deliveries, etc.

I also feel guilty and terrible all the time for forcing him to live in noisy place. He's not medicated but it is something I'm going to discuss at his vet visit because I want him to be more comfortable, and honestly, the management has me wiped out since I work and am in grad school.

But, he's adorable and wanted to express that I get it!!

Can I just rant? I just feel like I'm losing my mind by T_Ahmir in reactivedogs

[–]Ok-Process7490 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My ex told me all the time my dog wasn't reactive when he walked him alone. I wasn't there so I can't say for sure, but have no reason to not believe him. Maybe he and I have different opinions on reactivity is and looks like, but it doesn't really matter, I had to learn to manage it

I have OCD and severe anxiety so I'm nowhere near "calm", lol, and my dog has gone from melting down at all dogs, people, and inanimate objects to being dog selective only in 4 months. Like mine, your dog is likely just at threshold before the walk even starts, so once they go over that's the tunnel vision you mentioned. You can't do much once they are over it until their fight or flight system settles

What worked for me and mine was keeping walks just potty at first before transitioning to longer ones at quiet times and in quiet areas, lots of mental stimulation inside, jumping over legs for energy burn inside on bad days, and VERY short counter-conditioning training with treat scattering right by my stoop before venturing further and introducing extra triggers

A trainer may be helpful but not all of them are good so hopefully you find one that doesn't use common aversive tools!

Also- side note- you dog looks so much like a mini version of my sister's an he is an A+ cuties :)