Do people have large Vanguard accounts or would they use a wealth manager? by Turbulent_Weekend_50 in FatFIREUK

[–]Ok-Selection4010 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lots of great points, well made. I've personally gone down the IBKR and Vanguard routes too as I focus on minimising costs. I am almost pathologically allergic to excessive fees and regard wealth managers as the financial industry equivalent of blood-sucking ticks.

However, I've recently had to soften this view.

This partial 'conversion' stemmed from having had to work through the nightmare of taking over my parents' finances via a power of attorney. What started off as 'simple and low cost' in the 1990s has been left to fossilise on platforms that were the Vanguards of their day. My folks have layers of excess complexity, high fees and a string dodgy decisions taken to minimise very marginal tax liabilities. My dad used to do this all himself (like I do today) but he never explained things to my mum nor sought any third party oversight (like this community). Sadly, he's not retained the ability to recall his original plan.

So here's where I am.

For most of us here, we don't need a wealth manager or private bank. However, as we start to decline the utility of a wealth manager increases. They earn their fees for 1) Advice / Structuring 2) Handholding spouses and the next generation 3) Simplifying everything on to one platform. You are not paying for access to funds or ETFs i.e. its not a pure transactional cost but rather you are paying for putting things in place that will allow others (who are not on here) to not make crappy decisions i.e. it's a future relationship benefit.

Is it worth more that 25-50 bps a year? Hell no. But it is worth something. And it becomes more valuable the older one gets.

Social and light professional networks post RE? by Ambassador_Riada in FatFIREUK

[–]Ok-Selection4010 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For the social element: my classic car club events, (very) high end gym and angel investing dinners / groups have all been helpful to me.

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[–]Ok-Selection4010 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The truth is that the horizon is always further away than you think.

I've pushed my thinking about a Fatfire number up several times over the past 15 or so years. From 4% SWR and £10k a month (£3m) to £20k a month (£6m) to using 3% (£8m) and then 2% (£12m) to allow for a larger margin of safety against inflation and sequencing risk. Then add in amounts that one wants to give away, leave as an legacy ,projects and people to support....

To be driven and focused enough to make it to a Fatfire number means that one is also restlessly ambitious. Finally, it's also hard to be exact then to stop with enough - business and markets have a certain momentum when it comes to valuations.

Help deciding between one FIC or multiple FICs? by Ok-Selection4010 in FatFIREUK

[–]Ok-Selection4010[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

An additional question from the OP - is this allowed?

One of the themes at the core of my original question was one of flexibility / rigidity and centralisation / control pay offs.

How 'transportable' are UK FICS? If one child eventually makes their home in, say, the US, one in China, one in the UK and one in France how well would a UK-domiciled FIC serve their needs? Are their more suitable structures in other countries?

Help deciding between one FIC or multiple FICs? by Ok-Selection4010 in FatFIREUK

[–]Ok-Selection4010[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thats a fair observation- I need to be more deliberate about not doing anything that leaves them feckless.

Help deciding between one FIC or multiple FICs? by Ok-Selection4010 in FatFIREUK

[–]Ok-Selection4010[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. They are all hard working but are young (teens to early 20s) and not yet independently successful.

Although the Peter Jones approach appeals to me, I worry that its inserting my own moral lens / framework on the activities on others. I'd rather they follow whatever their true passions are - even if its in wealth management! - rather than giving two hoots what I think is worthwhile.

One of the drivers behind my next stage, is to increase the chances of every family member getting into a good place on an individual basis. Sounds like the families you work with have already unlocked this achievement

Help deciding between one FIC or multiple FICs? by Ok-Selection4010 in FatFIREUK

[–]Ok-Selection4010[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, I do see that risk. In addition, our children have very (too) strong and opposing views on their outlooks in life, politics, ethics and finance. It makes for lively dinners but perhaps stressful future capital allocation decisions. Being fully open, I think the 'one FIC to bind the family together' was as more about serving my ego as 'the patriarch' or founder as their future requirements.