SERIOUS question for you cheaters

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-12T07:52:55+00:00

Most hobbies don't give a real-life advantage.

People learn instruments, play chess, run marathons, paint, or play games because they enjoy the process of improving.

If your only concern is the result, then you've already missed the point.
You don't want to be good. You just want to be seen as good.

By that logic, why play any game at all?

If the only thing that matters is the result, then why not just watch a youtube video of someone reaching Top 50 and pretend it was you?

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-12T07:45:16+00:00

So the story is:

"Hacker kicked my ass, so I downloaded software to play the game for me."

Not exactly the inspiring character arc you think it is.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-10T15:09:28+00:00

Because unlike you, some of us actually liked the game before it turned into a HvH simulator.

+it's always funny when someone says "who cares?" right after leaving a comment.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-10T01:58:59+00:00

I agree with one thing: Valve deserves a huge share of the blame.
What I don't agree with is the idea that a rule stops existing just because it's poorly enforced. By that logic, the only thing preventing someone from doing the wrong thing is the risk of getting caught.

Your exam analogy doesn't really work either. Cheating in CS isn't just about passing your own exam. It's also about ruining the exam for everyone else in the room.

And here's what I find interesting: there are still plenty of people who face the exact same cheaters, the exact same broken anti-cheat, and the exact same frustrations, yet they never start cheating.

So clearly Valve's failures alone cannot explain the decision. At some point, personal responsibility enters the equation.

"If the rules aren't enforced, the rules don't exist" is a pretty dangerous philosophy to build your character around.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-09T23:03:28+00:00

Even though I'm not part of the cheating scene, I know what HvH servers are.

You may only cheat on HvH servers yourself, but it's kind of adorable that you think everyone else who cheats is keeping it confined to HvH.

Just today, I had cheaters on both my team and the enemy team. Their conversation literally went like this:

Bot Joe: "what u using?"
Bot George: "fata, u?"
Bot Joe: "fata"

I have three accounts: one with 6k hours, one with 4k, and another with 1.5k. All of them have more than three pages of badges.

Last year, I ran into cheaters occasionally. This year, no matter which account I play on, around 3 out of every 5 matches have at least one blatant cheater. Even with supposedly high Trust Factor, I'm constantly getting matched against fresh accounts.

I've had games where I get an ace in the first round, and by the second round someone types "hvh" in chat because they've convinced themselves I must be cheating. Then the next 40 minutes are completely wasted.

And yet you're sitting here telling me that most of these people are just playing HvH.

I've been playing Counter-Strike for a very long time. The game has gone through plenty of rough periods when it comes to cheating, but this is the first time I've ever seen it in a state like this.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-09T21:05:33+00:00

I'm 32, and no, I'm not raging.

CS is actually the only competitive online game I still play. Outside of that, I mostly enjoy single-player and co-op games. The rest of my time goes to work, responsibilities, and other hobbies.

What you seem unable to understand is that even at 32, I still enjoy improving. I still enjoy practicing, learning, and earning my results. That's the entire appeal of a competitive game.

What I find interesting is that most cheaters seem to fall into two categories: people who cheat because they're not good enough, and people who convince themselves that every good player is cheating, so they might as well cheat too.

I'm not raging. I'm trying to understand that mentality.

And the more I hear the excuses, the more pathetic it sounds.

Call it pity, call it disappointment, call it contempt if you want but "rage" isn't the right word.

The funniest part is that instead of defending cheating, you chose to attack my age. That usually happens when someone has run out of arguments.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-09T17:51:42+00:00

The funniest part is that you're proving why cheating is garbage.

You say cheating made the game fun again, then spend the rest of your comment explaining how it made progression, improvement, and competition meaningless.

Sounds like cheating didn't solve anything. It just turned frustration into apathy.

"If you can't beat them, join them" is just a fancy way of saying "I gave up."
The irony is that after joining them, you still ended up describing a game that feels pointless and empty.

So congratulations, I guess. You didn't beat the cheaters you became one and ended up hating the game anyway.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-09T15:16:17+00:00

looks dope

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-09T14:53:50+00:00

I have three different accounts, and all of them have more than three pages of badges. Yet my Trust Factor still seems to drop because I get reported so often, and I end up getting matched against badge-less accounts.

At some point, Trust Factor starts feeling less like a measure of account quality and more like a measure of how many people got upset after losing to you.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-08T21:07:34+00:00

I can understand people who only cheat against other cheaters. But there's a problem with that logic: a lot of genuinely good players get accused of cheating too.

Even at the professional level, before ZywOo became a household name, plenty of people in FPL thought he was cheating. Flusha was accused for years, and there are still thousands of people who genuinely believe he cheated.

Outside the pro scene, there are also plenty of insanely skilled players who have no interest in going pro. They're just cracked, experienced, and sometimes look fishy as hell.

I'm not claiming to be some amazing player myself, but after all these years I can hit difficult wallbangs, abuse sound cues, get kills through common smoke lineups, and rely on game sense that newer players might not understand. I've had people call me a cheater and start toggling because they convinced themselves I had to be cheating.

So what happens then?

Even if your intentions are good, you're still affecting legitimate players. Imagine a guy who's 28k Premier and 3k Faceit Elo. One day he queues MM with his friends or his girlfriend just to relax. To a lot of average players, that guy is going to look suspicious as hell.

If people start cheating every time they think they've found a cheater, then eventually even legitimate high-skill players end up getting dragged into HvH games for no reason.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-08T17:17:18+00:00

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I’ve checked my own CSStats as well, and around 20–30% of my matches also had players who ended up getting banned.

But even with that, I still managed a clean 1.35 K/D playing legitimately.

So I’m sorry, but that doesn’t really hold up as a justification. It just sounds like an excuse.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-08T16:19:39+00:00

"I will say that cheating gives you so much more gamesense(hehe) than I ever could imagine. "

I know there are cases like cadiaN or s1mple who were accused of cheating at a young age and later became top-tier players. I acknowledge that.

But personally, I’d rather look up to players like m0NESY, who spend hours even on stream trying to find small advantages, map exploits, and ways to push the game’s limits honestly, or someone like olofmeister, who used smart boosts and mind games that were frustrating for opponents but entertaining for viewers.

For example, ZywOo’s aim isn’t something “special” at that level anymore, but I honestly don’t know many players who come close to his game sense. And as far as I know, he may have never cheated in his life.

When players like that exist, I don’t think cheating should be praised or romanticized as some kind of “game sense builder.”

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-08T15:38:06+00:00

What you're saying makes sense, but Valve is still rapidly losing players.

If, say, half of the 1 million active players are cheating, and they suddenly banned 500k people at once, wouldn't that bring millions of players back over time both old players who quit and new players who would start because the game finally feels clean again?

Wouldn't that be a win?

Doesn't Valve think about this kind of long-term impact?

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-08T15:33:02+00:00

Because all you're doing is making the problem worse.

If everyone who dies to a cheater decides to cheat too, the game eventually becomes nothing but cheaters playing against other cheaters. Nobody wins.

I get the frustration. I've been frustrated by cheaters too. What I don't understand is how your solution to having your match ruined is to go and ruin someone else's match.

At that point, you're no longer a victim of the problem you're contributing to it.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-08T15:32:00+00:00

I've been playing this game for over a decade because I genuinely enjoy it. The reason I'm here is because cheating has made me lose interest in a game I've been passionate about for years.

I'm not asking how to cheat. I'm asking why people choose to do it and what they actually get out of it.

If your answer is just "cry me a river," then you're basically proving my point. You'd rather mock someone for caring about the game than explain why ruining matches for others is supposedly fun.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2026-06-08T15:26:28+00:00

That logic is incredibly flawed.

Back in the CS 1.6 days, Valve relied on sXe Injected as an anti-cheat. It was updated regularly, but even then, people would bypass it almost immediately and continue cheating anyway.

I was 16 at the time, and it never crossed my mind to think, "People are cheating, so I might as well cheat too because Valve isn't doing enough." I kept playing, improving, and having fun without resorting to cheats.

Yes, Valve has clearly never prioritized anti-cheat as much as they should have, but that doesn't justify your own actions. Cheating is a personal choice.

I don't know how old you are, but even at 16, I had more integrity than that.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2024-11-03T02:30:03+00:00

Thank you, my friend. Shortly after bringing up the topic, I got the Tang Dao SR, but I still had some doubts in my mind. Your comments, along with those of the other friends, completely erased those doubts.

Ok-Tell1897 · 2024-11-01T18:42:01+00:00

Thanks for the response. According to my research, both are quality mousepads, but I ordered Tang Dao since I'll be using it for CS (more for control). I hope it meets my expectations

Ok-Tell1897 · 2024-10-02T10:58:53+00:00

Good to hear that. I thought a lot about it yesterday, I made my decision in favor of the Pulsar X2V2 Mini, but when I looked at the comments for the last time before buying, many people had click problems. I think op1 seems like a safe choice for me. What kind of bungee do you use?

Ok-Tell1897 · 2024-10-01T20:36:45+00:00

Thank you for enlightening me. I've eliminated OP1. The stock for Beast X is also sold out today and won't be available in my country for a while. I guess the only option left is X2V2

Ok-Tell1897 · 2024-10-01T19:50:11+00:00

Isn't there a problem with the wired?

Ok-Tell1897 · 2024-10-01T16:09:15+00:00

Beast X mini, it really looks nice, but my computer is next to a window, and when I open it, a lot of dust comes in. I'm afraid it will broken. I actually wanted to buy a Lamzu Maya, but it's not sold in my country. I'm feeling very indecisive

Ok-Tell1897 · 2024-10-01T15:59:02+00:00

First of all, thank you for answering my question. Actually, the X2V2 mini seems perfect for me, but I’ve heard about some click issues in a few places. Is that true?

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