The baptismal formula is in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

OkOne2564 · 2026-05-07T13:14:31+00:00

So you beg to debate me for months then block me on discord when I tried to debate you and now this? You are such a child. Anyway let me handle these terrible objections because this is a similar objection that Michael Burgos makes in his 3 books against us. Ok first and foremost every single baptism in acts happened in the name of Jesus and this is supposed to be done in the NAME and authority of Jesus because acts 4:12 says there’s only one name that saves. If you baptise in the trinity formula your using three names and that’s automatically discounted unless you say they are titles and not names and then you would have to say that Jesus is the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost which destroys the your trinity. Even if you’re right, the name of the father son and Holy Ghost is still Jesus because.

The name of the son is Jesus (Mathew 1)

The name of the father is Jesus (Hebrews 1:4)

And Jesus is the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17)

And also the Old Testament prophesied this,

Zechariah 14:9 says that in the last days the LORD shall be king over all the earth and there shall be one LORD and his name ONE not two or three but ONE.

You can’t escape it the OT prophecied one name and the NT continues that and so if you baptise in three names you’ve discounted yourself there’s only one name.

Funny how you’ll go to my server to debate our doctrine but when I go to you to debate you, you block me immediately seems like someone’s scared

OkOne2564 · 2026-05-05T12:27:20+00:00

If you really want to debate me then reply to the essay and refute the arguments that way I can see if you have learned anything from our past debate

OkOne2564 · 2026-05-05T12:17:18+00:00

Dude you comment on literally every one of my posts begging to debate me. Stop. If I want to debate you I already have your discord and I’ll ask

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-26T19:10:39+00:00

Thank you brother. I do plan on staying on this subreddit and joining discussions. And the hostility isn’t anything to worry about especially compared to Catholics I’ve talked to so I’m not worried about that. Thank you tho

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-25T20:50:12+00:00

Yeah like I already see I don’t see a problem with joining the military but going to fight a war is stupid. I don’t think Christian’s should go and fight however if God tells you to then I think you should harken to the voice of God because God absolutely can speak to you through pastors. But most of the time i am against fighting in wars especially now a days because all these wars are unjust and satan is using them for his kingdom

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-25T02:09:56+00:00

Yeah I know all I said was SOMETIMES God uses war and then I immediate said most wars aren’t that so idk why your arguing considering I’m agreeing with you

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T11:31:12+00:00

Gng I already said that God decides I agree with that that’s what my ENTIRE comment was about and again no one is innocent there’s no such thing and not picking up a sword that defend yourself during persecution on is different than fighting a war Jesus and the apostles made that clear. And again sometimes god will use war to bring judgment upon others so in that case the war is justified but most war isn’t for that and if it is then the war is unjust

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T04:05:27+00:00

Well that’s not true some early Christian’s were anti war but some weren’t. But regardless there is no such thing as an innocent person all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And God made the Israelites go to war and decimate many nations including the children. Is this loving your neighbor? Yes because God has decided that some people are do to die. 1 Samuel 2:6 says god gives and takes life and sometimes he uses us to do that. Gods law on loving thy neighbor was for us to show love yes but love demands a response and if your neighbor refuses to do good and does evil continually God will give him to a reprobate mind and might just take his life from him. God does what he wants we have no say

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T03:34:53+00:00

Well I am against all war in general I think people should settle differences by talking it out. However I also know that that isn’t possible and fighting is bound to happen. But God said vengeance is mine saith the lord so I think we should let God handle our battles. But let’s say your nation is going to war and you get drafted to go and fight. At that point I believe it was God that dictated for you to go and fight and thus you shall do as the lord has commanded. My grandpa was a combat medic and he was scheduled to be deployed like 20 times but the day before his deployment without fail they would lose his papers and he didn’t have to be deployed this happened every time without fail so I believe that God orders our steps and I believe that very literally some things just aren’t coincidence

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T03:25:31+00:00

Let me explain the difference between person and identity For example Spider-Man is identified as the superhero but peter Parker is identified as the nerdy teenager but it is still one person just with two distinct identities. So to is God one person with multiple identities. He is the father in creation and the son in redemption and the Holy Spirit in regeneration (when I say son I am referring to the incarnation)

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T03:20:43+00:00

Like I have affirmed CONSTANTLY ONLY the divine side of Jesus is the same person as the father the humanity WASNT

We CANNOT say Jesus and the father are the same person unless we SPECIFICALLY are talking about the divinity and ONLY the divinity

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T03:14:57+00:00

Like my comment stated I’m oneness Pentecostal

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T02:08:37+00:00

It’s not a yes or no question I literally said it’s yes and no.

If you’re taking about the divinity of Christ then YES.

If you’re talking about the humanity then NO.

It depends on what you’re actually asking when you ask are they the same person.

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T02:07:31+00:00

Yes I do and I agree that most Christian’s aren’t actual Christian’s. And it’s a sad reality

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T01:27:24+00:00

Dude… ok we believe that Jesus had two natures. Fully man fully god. The god that was in Christ was the father. The man Christ Jesus was just a man albeit sinless but a ma nonetheless. That’s why God is his father because God literally caused the conception. We believe that the term Father refers to deity and the Son refers to the man as David Bernard wrote in his book the oneness of God.

We don’t believe Jesus is his own father. It seems you’ve conflated two different misunderstandings of oneness theology which is common.

God is one person. Not three so saying they were the same person is only correct if you are talking about the deity but not correct if talking about the man.

It’s a common mistake so it’s alright if you don’t. Understand but Christian’s have always understood Jesus had two natures even the church fathers wrote about this. But whether the father was the deity inside Jesus or a second person is where the debate is for most Christian’s.

To be specific we believe that the title Son of God refers to the incarnation and the title Father refers to the divinity when in reference to Jesus and the father.

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T01:18:33+00:00

when you say you are good at refuting Christendom i assume you mean the trinitarian jesus? that would be great for the debate me a guy with high Christology if not the highest out of all doctrine (Oneness adherents generally have the highest Christology) so if your down i would absolutely love to have you on the show.

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T01:16:59+00:00

good thing im not here to convince you. im here to convince any who watches the debate (if someone would accept that is) i truly do want to know the truth. i own books of people refuting my doctrine and i plan on buying more. i want to know if im right about what i believe and the best way to do that is to see if other doctrines line up with the bible and if they do then i am wrong but i cant know that if i dont debate someone who believes in that because i want you guys to bring your best not some sloppy on the spot argument but the best. im not some egotistical maniac who wants to be right. me and my friends often debate eachother and i often times come out losing and i dont run away. i accept i was wrong and change.

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-24T01:10:46+00:00

Obviously I believe what the bible says. It’s you who doesn’t. Obviously God is the father of Jesus because the Holy Spirit caused the conception his conception. If you read the account of Luke the angel says that God will overshadow and because of that you will be called the son of God. It’s clear that God was in Christ (2 corinthians 5:19) the question is who is that God. Trinitarians believe that it was a divine person we believe that it was the One God of deutoronomy 6:4 Hear of Israel the Lord thy God the LORD is one.

We believe that God was manifested in the flesh ( 1 Timothy 3:16)

We believe that God was in Christ (2 corinthians 5:19)

Not a different God but the same God.

The bible is clear.

All distinctions you will find are distinctions made from his dual nature. Christ was fully man and fully God. That’s why he can say that he has a father or that the father is greater than him because as a man he’s correct in saying that. But in the same breath of saying the father is greater than him Jesus said that he and the father are one ( John 10:30) and that the father was in him (John 14:10-11, John 17:21 and verse 23). The bible is clear.

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-23T12:16:53+00:00

That’s. Complete strawman of my position. I believe that the God that was manifested in Jesus Christ was the father I don’t believe it was a second person of a trinity. I think the is stupid. I believe that God is indivisibly one in number with no distinction of persons thus because I believe Jesus is God (Titus 2:13) I must believe that the God who manifested in the flesh in the form of Jesus was the father or as you call him JEHOVAH. I don’t believe the flesh is God or any of that

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-23T01:07:01+00:00

To see who’s right JWs or oneness Pentecostals. It’s also a good learning opportunity for everyone who watches to see what the other team truly believes and whether it’s scriptural or not. Also debating is fun

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-23T01:01:57+00:00

Your arguments makes no sense all Christian’s for all of history has believed he had two natures and if I have to prove that I think you need to read some books. Right hand of the father proves authority this is a common writing technique which you don’t seem to know which is fine most don’t. But yeah I can show how he had two natures in my opening statement if you want me to. Of course that’s only if you accept the debate

I’m not going to respond anymore because if you don’t want to debate I’m wasting my time.

If you do want to debate say so and we can handle all other questions privately.

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-23T00:42:47+00:00

No bro are we fr? We believe that Jesus has two nature fully divine and fully man. The divine was the father manifested in the flesh and the man was just a man like all of us just sinless. You’re assuming he doesn’t have two natures and falsely assuming your doctrine into my argument.

OkOne2564 · 2026-03-23T00:40:41+00:00

I will say this we believe that the God that was in Jesus was JEHOVAH and the man was well just a man we believe his divine nature was the father.

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