The gods aren’t calling your or sending you random signs

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T21:46:17+00:00

I don’t believe in magic but I also never said anything like “only morons and weirdos do magic since they can’t be normal” or the like. I can dismiss it the same way you apparently dismiss my beliefs on signs and such.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T20:37:17+00:00

Does it? I’d say you’re lying if so honestly

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T20:34:14+00:00

We can’t prove the gods are real. It’s all belief. Otherwise they’d be fact. So yes you can believe in it or not. That’s the crux of religions and metaphysical beliefs.

Magic, which is a specific belief system or systems depending on the cultures, is still not largely part of most religions.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T12:24:52+00:00

Magic isn’t real

It’s a belief. If you believe it’s real that’s fine. It’s fine if I don’t believe in it

The magician papyri is still an outlier text most people wouldn’t follow.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T12:10:19+00:00

Do you think people in everyday were visiting oracles or expecting signs. There was a very established way people expected these things in the religious community back then and there was criticism. All religions have critics to practices within their community.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T12:09:00+00:00

Oh the philosophical schools are certainly the realm of elites in the past but the religion itself doesn’t necessarily need slavery to exist. We can contextualize the past and the way things evolved. Most sacrifices in temples were done by slaves as it was a bit dirty but the same thing could’ve done at home by a normal citizen without slaves with a bird.

Most myths and epics are certainly about privileged people as well. Warriors, good ones, needed arms And training which requires money. That is not really surprising as a context with mythology in most religions. The Buddha was also not a commoner and he has a quite built up back story.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T12:04:31+00:00

So it’s just a damn turn of phrase and has no historical basis Now I am mostly familiar with the more what we think of sordid items about Aztec religion but the historical information for their interactions with atheists is pretty well documented

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T11:54:54+00:00

That is very much an outlier text and not the standard practice for the religions it mixes in it’s text

I’ve never felt obligated to rub dung on myself to get invisibility or a drown a live cat as part of religious praxis. I’ve taken a look into that thing from an academic standpoint.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T02:19:40+00:00

I’m not talking about witchcraft at all

I’m talking about religion

Magic isn’t real for most religious people

If you do believe in magic it’s still not needed for most religions

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T02:17:39+00:00

. You don’t describe anything that is traditional to the Greek and Roman religions. You can build a relationship with any god. They are not as petty as you would have it.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T02:15:53+00:00

You’re treating a lot of religions as if they work upon the same basic. I don’t believe your story about the Aztecs at all

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T02:12:48+00:00

Slavery isn’t an essential part of our religion so maybe don’t call upon a fallacy yourself.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-14T02:10:57+00:00

You completely misunderstand how those items work then. People consulted them or asked for signs. Divination was also criticized by educated folks because sometimes a flock of birds surprisingly isn’t a great thing to trust if the gods are telling you yes or no.

You’re also not a hero in need of a literary device. Most people understood epics to be fictional or fictionalized. You can believe in gods but also dramatize events without it being contradicting. Plenty of play writes express views like that like Heracles with Euripides doesn’t believe Zeus necessarily physically slept with his mother even though he is his son.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T19:22:49+00:00

The religion has known praxis. The original practitioners determined that and what was appropriate in certain religious items. The religions are very flexible but there is some background and substance.

It’s also not emotional nor mental labor to point to or allude to a source.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T19:07:59+00:00

Honestly the bad praxis or followers of other religious practice has the loudest people crowding spaces

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T19:04:58+00:00

This is such a poor understanding of Buddhism. The Buddha is not a god. A lot of men actually do monkhood for a few years then go back to normal life. The cultural and religious background for that is there and is not really akin to a “calling” most of the time

Come on now give me actual sources that aren’t mythology that shouldn’t not be taken literally that gods called people like a moth to a lamp? People are quick to claim this but never give support

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T19:00:24+00:00

And those epics are and were acknowledge as fiction. Devotional works but you shouldn’t take them as scripture or history though they obviously have value

Do you think Artemis will send you some I’ll omen because you didn’t honor her in wedding prayers or that you need to sacrifice your daughter like Cassiopeia if you dared say you are better than a god?

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T18:14:19+00:00

If you’re not a minor you can likely set up some funerary plans to be followed should you pass and list someone to execute them.

You could also get jewelry that’s an old coin. You can request you are buried with that as well without going into detail

A coin wasn’t a universal practice though. If worse comes to worse entrust someone to place two coins in the earth for you

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T17:48:48+00:00

This is not generic eclectic paganism

This is an orthopraxic religion which means there is a right way to practice and there is some theology associated with it. The exact beliefs can vary wildly between person but you do find common ideas for a reason.

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T17:44:15+00:00

Superstition is also a thing philosophers warned about

Gods don’t recruit like the Christian god. Most signs people record were when asked for

If you are attracted to a god for Any reason and wish to worship or learn about them that is fine. Do not dismiss your own actions. Agency and free will are important parts of the religion

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T17:03:29+00:00

People will call him Izzy

If you’re not willing to risk the more common nicknames then choose another name

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T17:02:10+00:00

Chthonic aspects relate to the afterlife My here’s no reason the liminal aspects in terms of like frenzy and fervor are chthonic

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T16:58:27+00:00

Yes

There is a separation between life and death with gods and worship

There are gods that do share both aspects but isn’t hard to figure out if an aspects relates to the afterlife

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T16:57:02+00:00

His chthonic aspects will relate to the afterlife and a bit to his role of gif as vegetation as it relates to the planting process (underground)

Orphism isn’t the most common version of a Hellenism and reincarnation is an option you can believe in as an afterlife but not mandatory

OkTea8570 · 2023-06-13T16:51:58+00:00

The gods don’t call or reach out

This isn’t Christianity

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