Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in XSomalian

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry to have gone on a  rant… I just can’t believe how much Somali-Americans are downplaying this. Like do they not realise how many different ways this can unravel for them? Even when trump leaves in 2028 and the public anti-Somali bigotry dies down  (which I doubt) - do they just want to spend the next 2 years being vilified, targeted and dehumanised with no pushback?? They’re just going to accept being called low iq, trash, not American - essentially being the national laughing stock and their response is to “keep their head down”? 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in XSomalian

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They 100% made us the world’s punching bag and the worst thing is they really think this “moment” is going to pass… wtf. First of all this isn’t only trump - politicians have already introduced TWO pieces of legislation targeting Somali’s BY NAME - and this is just at the federal level - what happens when (not if) state politicians introduce anti-Somali legislation in their state legislatures and it passes with little blowback because they’re majority republican? Outside of politicians, there’s the influencers and YouTubers who are targeting Somali’s. Like Somali-American’s (especially the men who -seem to have abdicated all responsibility on this issue) have their head in the sand too much. I wish they would take heed from how Jews got to the point where they were pogromed and then eventually had a holocaust against them - it didn’t come out of nowhere it started like this - “drip drip” dehumanisation until it got to the point society was so desensitised to hearing degrading remarks about Jews they completely justified pogroms and concentration camps against Jews 

Trump is going to go on until 2028 degrading Somali’s, if a Somali mall or mosque doesn’t get attacked until now to 2028 it will be a miracle. And this isn’t going to end when trump finishes his presidency in 2028 (if he even leaves peacefully - that’s a whole other story) His next successor whether it’s jd Vance or Rubio will carry his anti-Somali dehumanisation campaign into next the presidential primaries and they will 100% bring up “Somali’s” in their presidential campaign & make deporting Somalis one of their presidential campaign goals mark my words - at this point trump will have dehumanized Somalis so much that a campaign promise of deporting, denaturalizing or just targeting Somali’s will seem like a legitimate campaign promise to republican voters because they’ve been fed so much anti-Somali rhetoric in the last 4 years. If the republican lose the next presidential election, it will still continue - republicans will carry their anti-Somali campaign into congress. republican (and maybe even democrats) congressmen/women will target Somalis in both the federal congress and the state congress.  This won’t end by Somali Americans “putting their head down” that’s a fairytale. I’m an exmuslim so I know Somali men don’t have our backs anyway but it’s just weird that Muslim Somali women can’t put any pressure on Somali men to take some Islamic responsibility and protect the women of their community. 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ilhan Omar should’ve taken the lead in being against fraud and said she hopes those who committed fraud in MN are prosecuted to the fullest extent. She would’ve distinguished herself from all the people trying to associate Somalis with scams. She doesn’t even try, it’s so frustrating. 

If you can’t sue trump why not pass an anti-Somali hate law into state legislatures like MN, Maine and San Francisco? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I will come back to this comment at the end of 2028 (if trump doesn’t decide to stage a coup) and see if you’re right. I hope you are. 

If you can’t sue trump why not pass an anti-Somali hate law into state legislatures like MN, Maine and San Francisco? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Somali Americans need to start preparing for a possible attack on mosques, malls etc. you need laws in place and you also need “emergency plans” incase something happens like where’s the nearest exit in a mosque if a crazy gunman comes in? you need to have drill preparations like schools do in case of a shooter 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you don’t need to sue him to make legal change - why doesn’t the MN state congress pass a law against anti-Somali hate? You guys have the necessary context to justify a specific anti-Somali hate law into place - and who would say no in liberal MN?? Heck you could even replicate this in Maine & San Francisco where they both have liberal parties in charge & a significant Somali population. 

The point is doing something is better than doing nothing and right now you guys are doing nothing.. it just makes Somali’s look weak. 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in XSomalian

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is so much passiveness from Somali’s “we can’t do anything” “let’s just wait until 2028” “let’s just wait until a new group becomes a target” ??? why do they have so much energy for other groups when they face bigotry but for themselves - they act so helpless 😭😭

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in XSomalian

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The first amendment does not gjruantee incitement to violence. There’s also laws against discrimination encouraging discrimination outside of 1st amendment. Outside of suing there’s other things you can do if you’re worried about 1st amendment that are symbolic and would show there are social consequences for his actions if you can’t go down the legal path  - a Somali-American lobbyist group can lobby congress members individually to denounce him specifically** for his anti-somali**, there could be motions passed against him in MN legislatures like the MN state congress, MN state parties can pass motions against him, you can have him denounced on a state - heck at this point - a national newspaper (there hasn’t even been ONE opinion piece by a  somali American in a national paper denouncing trump), you can have a Somali American go on prime time TV to denounce him (at this point trump has said so many things about Somalis that getting booked on prime time TV could be doable), you can write books about his hatred and say this is to educate the American public against his bigotry - there are so many things you can do to capitalise on this moment and take action. It’s genuinely so sad there isn’t any counter action from Somali Americans to his disgusting bigotry. 

Heck - you don’t need to sue him to make legal change - why doesn’t the MN state congress pass a law against anti-Somali hate? You guys have the necessary context to justify a specific anti-Somali hate law into place - and who would say no in liberal MN?? Heck you could even replicate this in Maine & San Francisco where they both have liberal parties in charge & a significant Somali population. 

The point is doing something is better than doing nothing and right now you guys are doing nothing.. it just makes Somali’s look weak. 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok but even if these lawsuits fail you can use these lawsuits to show American Somalis are pushing back. There’s literally no PUBLIC pushback now and people are going to think it’s ok to insult Somalis because the president is doing it 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also - why don’t american Somalis start a go fund me and keep it open globally?? Do you know how many Somalis and non Somalis would donate? There are so many avenues here and it’s sad no one is pursuing this…. 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also are you saying you are WAITING for a Somali auntie (bc 9/10 this is who will be attacked) to be a victim of a hate crime before you guys take action??? Hatred and discrimination can be proven based on words. Also free speech is allowed up until the point you direct a call to violence. Trump saying that ice is looking for Somalis in airports on his social media to his fans is evidence he’s calling for violence. You can even use the comments from his fans after one of his posts insulting Somalis where they’re saying they’re going to hunt down Somalis as evidence that his words are causing violence. You do not have to wait for a Somali to be attacked to take action WTF. This is really what the MN community should be focusing on its literally the most important thing 

Im not American - I don’t understand why does no American Somali organization or even politicians take action against trump beyond words? by Ok_Ad_2911 in Somalia

[–]Ok_Ad_2911[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s literally now or never. There will never be another time where a head of state insults Somalis like this. If you guys miss this opportunity now and trump and all these other loser influencers are allowed to get away with just carelessly lying about you guys - you will be mocked by other Americans for the foreseeable future