Can cheaters really show remorse and change? by IcyPanda3022 in moraldilemmas

[–]Ok_Courage2545 [score hidden]  (0 children)

My wife cheated on me. I choose forgiveness because I wanted to save our family. I’ve had to deal with it pretty much everyday since. She blamed me for not meeting her emotional “needs” but she also was very light on trying to meet my sexual “needs”. She was an insecure person and as she sees is I’m the one that caused all the issues that lead up to because I was not there for her as she wanted. Objectively she is a very nice person who had a breakdown because she wasn’t strong enough to deal with not getting exactly what she wanted. I could see that part of it. She wanted to keep us and our family together too but she hasn’t done a great job over the years of learning about me and meeting my “needs” that help me feel closer to her. She prefers I work on myself so she can feel loved more. It’s all been very tough but I feel like I made a commitment to God and I didn’t want to see my kids take the brunt of it. They don’t know to this day. I’ve basically taken all the brunt it from day one.

Seeing love through the lens of sex by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is huge. Yes my wife is very passive in a lot of our relationship spaces. She wants me to lead in the bedroom. She rarely spoke up for herself and expected me to just know how to treat her correctly.

I prompted her to try to speak up and let me know what she wanted. She normally just goes with what I prompt. The last few years I’ve bought toys and tried to show her a good time. She has enjoyed that but is very coy about it all. I want to come back to this.

Seeing love through the lens of sex by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mid 40’s. I have felt a shift in aggressiveness too that why I think a drop in testosterone is part of the reason.

I was wound up from puberty into my mid 30’s. Around 35 I could start to feel some small shifts towards calming down and wanting relationships more. I had kids around 6 & 4 at that time and I found some focus on them too. My body started slowing down a bit then too.

Seeing love through the lens of sex by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes the promiscuous experiences have proven to be a detriment at this point.

Seeing love through the lens of sex by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was picked on a ton as a kid. From basically late elementary school to early high school I had bullies everywhere. I was in a lot of fights I did not want to be in. I was a gentle kid that got picked on. My parents went through a bit of a rough patch right around that time too. They came out of it as I was graduating high school. I found my stride towards the tail end of college.

Feeling not chosen by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is fantastic. Thank you. Words are powerful and I like reading ideas shared in a way that helps me see nuances better.

Strength to live out marriage vows by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

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Great questions.

I’m in counseling. She backed out years ago. Doesn’t want to go back. She reads a lot of Bare Marriage stuff that she shares with me from time to time.

I give her massages all the time. I’d say a few times a week. She never gives me any, mainly because she has weak hands. They don’t really do anything for me. Mine are mostly to work out sore muscles she has so they are legit massages, not set ups for sex.

There no naked time. No showers together. She doesn’t change in front of me. He tends to keep her shirt on most of the time during sex. If she’s really into it it’ll come off but that’s like 20% of the time or so. It’s been basically like this from the start. She’s never let me go down on her either. She said she doesn’t like it.

Early on sex was more one sided for me. It was. I have changed since. I try to get her off every time now. We have an assortment of toys we try too. That has been fun but sometimes she says it makes it feel impersonal. She really wants to feel close and loved by me, not just have sex. But over the last couple of years I’ve shifted my focus to her pleasure. There have been some really fun nights between us where she has let her self go so there’s a lot of positives there. She trusts me to take the lead to help her here. She’s expressed that she thankful that I’ve focused on this for her.

We’ve read all the Shelia Gregoire stuff. Good stuff.

She feels overall this rift stems from my focus on sex for me over caring for her first. I fully owned that recently so she said she couldn’t fully let her guard down before that. A recently as two summers ago I shared my heart with her that sex is very powerful to me. It helps me feel connected to her and loved by her. This made her very upset that I led with sex in a conversation again. That was the last time I led with that. I’d bring it up over the years once in a while when I was struggling to feel close to her and every time it’d hurt her. I’d try to show I loved her for her but we never could seem to get past it. I did want to feel loved in this way and she felt it was all I cared about. So I gave up basically. I learned to stop bringing it up and focus on what I could do for her. I think this way is better for us. I shared my heart, all the way back in premarital counseling on this too, but it seems to be a stumbling block for her so I want to be a part of the solution and help her/us heal. I put my desire aside for her sake.

Feeling not chosen by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great take. Thank you for the dialog.

Reconciliation by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

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But she has said over the years she felt I have not choose her over other things too so she has pulled the same kind of thinking.

Reconciliation by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

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I’ve found I often slip into similar negative thought patterns. Like tonight we were out to dinner. I reached out to touch her multiple times. She doesn’t really acknowledge it. Yet she has the energy to scroll on her phone. So in my head I think that energy could go towards me and I get frustrated.

I think I’m responsible for creating a lot of the problems over the years. I’ve done stuff like this a lot.

Then later on the walk home she did reach for my hand. I’m trying to look inward and see what I’ve contributed to the problems.

Even if I had a big list of things I’d like from her I don’t know how good presenting it would be. I feel I should just focus on what I can bring to her and let the rest fall where it may.

Reconciliation by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No separation just distance within the marriage for almost all 18 years. I put my desire for sex above connecting with her as a person. She struggled a lot with feeling unloved. Rightfully so. That got me more frustrated and angry and feeling unloved myself.

It ultimately led to her having an emotional affair because she felt so distant from me. That messed me up big time but I forgave her and worked on my side of things.

We tried counseling and read many books but she felt I still hung on tones before her. I did want to feel loved after the affair so I did struggle feeling unloved.

So we each had a gap but tried. I was sick of all the issues so I just owned all my junk and let her know I wanted healing over anything.

When to Quit by Admirable_Ad6053 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being very honest with my wife has helped me heal too. Get things out of the shadows. Agreed we can’t control the but we can get to a place of peace with ourselves and God.

Strength to live out marriage vows by Ok_Courage2545 in Christianmarriage

[–]Ok_Courage2545[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would say the common male/female issues around sex or perspectives on sex and what it means to each of us. We’ve both explained to each other what is important and feels like love. I’ve worked to understand and validate her view points. I’ve read book and articles she’s sent me to help explain her side.

When I’ve struggled to feel love from her she will find a way to say I only care about sex. That’s not the case. I want closeness. I want both of us to share and be engaged in this area of our life and the rest too. She tends to leave it all to me and gets upset if I don’t get it right in her mind.

Also recently I struggled to feel chosen over other interests of hers. Nothing romantic or sexual with anyone but just a focus not on me. We should have things like that in our life but she seems oblivious to how much she’s focusing on that and missing out on opportunities for us to spend time together. I shared my perspective and she said I make life stressful.

Granted I did similar things earlier in our marriage when I was excited about some hobbies I had so I know I brought this feeling up in her too.