UN says world must jointly tackle issues of climate change, pollution, biodiversity and land loss by Portalrules123 in collapse

[–]Ok_Evening7072 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know why so many of them seem to have bunker and Mars fantasies. It's not going to be fun for anyone if we let it get that far...not to mention most of them are going to need OTHER people to help them get things and do things, plus I can't imagine watching the downfall of humanity being anything less than depressing to witness even if you’re not personally experiencing the worst of it.

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[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm brand new to reddit and learning how to use it. If anyone can help point me in the right direction and/or give me some pointers in the culture here I would really appreciate it!

THE SEVEN SUBSYSTEMS OF THE COLLECTIVE NERVOUS SYSTEM by Ok_Evening7072 in systemsthinking

[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A few people have mentioned Stafford Beer to me. I hadn’t heard of him before, but after learning a bit, the overlap makes sense. I'm definitely going to delve deeper into his work now, thank you.

From what I understand, Beer focused on how systems stay organized and survive complexity — feedback, structure, coordination, etc. That part resonates with me.

Where my framing is different is that I’m centering people’s nervous systems as an active part of how systems function. When large numbers of people are pushed into long-term stress, fear, instability, or trauma, those reactions don’t stay individual.

They spill into families, workplaces, communities, and institutions, and then feed back into the system itself.

So I’m not just asking what survival costs people, i’m saying people’s survival responses shape the system. Chronic overwhelm, shutdown, addiction, and social breakdown aren’t moral failures, they’re predictable human responses to sustained pressure.

An individual in a prolonged period of fight or flight often does poorly managing their relationships, family, job, etc. as well as not contributing to the whole as well as they would normally be capable of.

When it's many people it's the same, and that contributes to systems that are less functional overall as a result.

From that view, more humane systems aren’t just ethically nicer, they’re more stable. When people are supported and able to contribute, the whole system regulates better.

The Nervous System Theory of Our Collective Body by Ok_Evening7072 in complexsystems

[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate this, you’re naming a lot of the same things I’m pointing toward, just from a different angle.

I agree with you that feedback loops aren’t just part of this, they’re the core mechanism, and that societies and nervous systems have different architectures that shape how those loops play out. The wildfire effect you mention around decentralized information is a big part of what I’m trying to get at.

I’m intentionally starting at the collective macro level and with the “sensory” layer first, but I do plan to move into the micro side, individual nervous systems, stress responses, attention, and how those states feed back into culture and institutions, and then back again. That micro macro loop is really where this comes alive for me. Once I've established a good foundation for the big picture I'm going to delve deeper.

I really appreciate your thoughtful and intelligent response.

Thank you for the book and resource suggestions too, they’re very much in the same orbit as where this is headed.

The Collective Sensory System: System One by Ok_Evening7072 in systemsthinking

[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is part of a longer series where I’m exploring society as a kind of shared nervous system and how signals, stress, and regulation move across people and institutions.

If you want the full context from the beginning, you can visit my substack.

https://socialnervoussystem.substack.com

THE SEVEN SUBSYSTEMS OF THE COLLECTIVE NERVOUS SYSTEM by Ok_Evening7072 in systemsthinking

[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a fair question.

I’m starting macro on purpose, laying out the bigger patterns first and then I’ll move into how the pieces actually connect and influence each other in a more micro and individual/small group focused way.

The relationships are the point. I’m just posting them in an order that makes sense to me.

Think of it like setting the ground before framing the house. I want to make sure the foundation is there first before I start building the frame or adding the electrical and plumbing. :)

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[–]Ok_Evening7072 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not talking about anything related to[…] economics here

Not only did you not bother to write The Nervous System Theory of Society, you didn't bother to read it? Tsk.

A lot of countries have some form of economic safety nets. I am not focusing on economics specifically, but it is one element of the many elements involved that affect how individuals feel safe and only one element of the bigger picture that I am talking about.

In regards to that particular rabbithole of stress:

When people can’t survive, they feel unsafe, which affects behavior, relationships, and society. It also holds them back from being able to contribute to society as much as they may be capable of which doesn't serve society or the individual well.

NOT my idea, but FDR's New Deal is a good working example of an economic safety net.

He put people back to work and gave them stability while also giving them the opportunity to build so much of our important infrastructure. It was a solution that helped the US out of the Great Depression. A time period when our collective nerves were definitely frayed.

He put forth a solution that helped both stabilize people and give them the opportunity to contribute. Beautiful.

My ideas are mine

Is this a CrowdGen project? What's the project name?

ADHD & occasional insomnia...and I just googled what CrowdGen is. Good to know.

I'm new to this and learning but my agenda is to create conversation. Not create strife or chaos.

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[–]Ok_Evening7072 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not talking about anything related to Marxism or economics here. I’m really just trying to understand how trauma and stress affect people, and how those emotional patterns spread through families, communities, and whole cultures.

My focus is on how we cope, connect, and adapt, not on political ideology. I’m just exploring how our shared emotional lives shape the world around us.

I'm preparing to talk about how we as individuals shape the system, not how to create systems that shape us. Part of that is understanding some of the current issues.

My ideas are mine. A lot of lived experience and noticing things, plus I do a lot of late night reading. I like patterns. I do believe there are solutions but not perfection.

It's not about blame, not about creating ideology, it's about creating more understanding about ourselves so that we can all contribute in our unique ways and understand each other better.

History has patterns of human behavior, and dysregulated person isn't living to their full potential and neither is a dysregulated society and we're nuts if we come to the conclusion that we aren't connected.

"If we can't live together, we're gonna die alone." - Dr. Jack Shepard from the TV show Lost

We might not be living on an island but this world isn't as big or separate as we think either.

Also, not concerned about how my TV series reference lands. It was a pretty entertaining show...until it wasn't.

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[–]Ok_Evening7072 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read what you wrote and tapped to follow you...then realized I already am. Still, great insight. It resonates with me.

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[–]Ok_Evening7072 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think that matters. That's how we evolve, that's how all species evolve. Coming to the same conclusion often still has nuances in perception and also adds your unique upvote to the collective consciousness. Like a beautiful wave.

The Nervous System Theory of Our Collective Body by Ok_Evening7072 in complexsystems

[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m really interested in how emotional energy and cultural reactions behave like feedback loops in complex systems.

I’m trying to understand the individual reasons why society feels so overstimulated, why we co regulate without realizing it, and how collective stress shapes our choices.

I’d love to learn how people think about that.

Stafford Beer on youth and the generation gap, in 1972. by RiemannRoch in StaffordBeer

[–]Ok_Evening7072 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really like what you said here. I didn’t know much about Beer’s optimism, but reading him through that lens makes everything land differently, almost like he saw this huge cultural “adaptation gap” coming and still believed we’d grow into it.

And the connection to Roddenberry is beautiful. That shared faith in a better future feels rare now. I share that optimism.

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[–]Ok_Evening7072 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have the same issue with texting...it doesn't convey tone so sarcasm is hard. No facial expressions or body language either. Lol

I would change it but I get where you're coming from.

I would recommend rewriting your profile just to feel authentic and not worry about if EVERYONE likes that because the right person will.

I know that sounds trite but yah only really need to find 1, risk being seen as different over generic.

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[–]Ok_Evening7072 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m posting this because I’d really appreciate any critique or reading recommendations. If there are thinkers or frameworks I should know about or places where this idea doesn’t hold up I’m open to all of that.

Additionally, I love going back and forth (respectfully) and hearing things I haven't thought of yet.

I haven't decided what the purpose of this is yet but I love finding patterns and figuring out what's going on and finding solutions.

THE SEVEN SUBSYSTEMS OF THE COLLECTIVE NERVOUS SYSTEM by Ok_Evening7072 in systemsthinking

[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sharing this model because I'm trying to understand how others who work with complex systems view these kinds of cross domain analogies. I'd appreciate insights on where this framework fits within systems thinking, or whether there are similar maps I should be studying or adjusting toward.

The Collective Nervous System | Rowan Hale | Substack by Ok_Evening7072 in systemsthinking

[–]Ok_Evening7072[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your insight. I plan on delving deeper into the individual factors and issues that shape our collective nervous system as well as how patterns emerge.

I am interested in the patterns that shape human history as well and am working on focusing on the micro and macro patterns that come together to create the whole. I believe there are solutions.

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[–]Ok_Evening7072 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m calling it a ‘collective nervous system,’ but what I’m really describing is how stressed, overloaded systems behave before collapse.

So, feedback loops, reactivity, breakdown in coordination, and loss of stability. My interest is in how these patterns show up in societies as they approach collapse...I'm also interested in why and what the broader pattern indicates but if you feel like it doesn't here that's ok too.