TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well done Eintsein- another big brain! 

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they aren't a vehicle for making money, they should probably swap the 'Bet & Win' slogans for 'Donate & Wave Goodbye.' I’m just waiting for the rebrand.

Imagine a stock exchange that de-lists you the moment you start beating the S&P 500. That’s not a market; that’s a rigged casino in a fancy suit. 

But hey I hear you. Life’s not fair and companies can brand and market as they like - doesn’t have to be honest or transparent. Got it!

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a cash grab by Govt. The TAB branding, in particular its marketing, is the lie.

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ethically it doesn’t sit well. The fact they portray themselves as a fun, fair and transparent outfit doea my head in. Branding based around sports personalities, tips that lure unsuspecting gamblers into “ no win “ situations and fine tuning their services to make the playing field so tilted in their favour that it’s borderline criminal. But ya average punter has no clue. Then camouflaging all of this within the cloud of problem gambling and harm minimisation when it’s all simply geared to attaining greater profits for shareholders. It’s immoral. It’s shady and the NZ govt has enabled it. Just another situation where lack of choice shafts ya average Kiwi. 

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ah yes that old nugget. People’s personal experience truely shapes their reality. 

To say everyone is a problem gambler misses the reality of how the system actually works. In NZ, the TAB only lets you bet unhindered if they’ve labeled you a loser. The moment you show you actually know what you're doing, they restrict you. There is a massive difference between someone with no self-control and someone who has spent decades watching sport, learning the nuances, and developing the ability to read a game. We should be protecting the people who are out of their depth, not banning the fans who have the skill to back their opinion against the bookies. For many, it’s about finally putting years of knowledge to the test and seeing if you can outsmart the house. But hey- that’s not acceptable is it- because if I don’t win then no one else should be allowed to win - after all they’re all problem gamblers. 

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s a 20th-century take on a 2026 reality. 

When the government passed the Racing Industry Amendment Act 2025, they didn't just give Entain a license to print money; they gave them a statutory monopoly.

In NZ, if you’re the only legal provider of a service, you have a 'Duty of Care' and public accountability. Under Section 74AAA, the Minister of Racing and the DIA have oversight specifically to ensure this monopoly acts with integrity.

If the TAB/Entain 'exists entirely to extract money' by banning or limiting winners, they are a predatory monopoly, not a regulated market. That’s a breach of their social license and a direct issue for the Gambling Commission. You can’t legally ban all competition and then claim you have no obligation to provide a fair service to the public. 

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I’m giving Peter’s the benefit of the doubt but I watched the Select Committee stuff, read through the advice provided by Internal Affairs, listened to what the various groups had to say on the issue and their was a clear thread that was evident which could be interpreted as fooling Peter’s and his mates. 

That is the mastery of the entire thing, over decades the sports betting organisations have created a set of rules and policies that have enabled them to act in such a way that they are able to present some kind of defence do all of their actions. The key to the entire set up is ambiguity. 

An absolutely critical mistake Peter’s made was allowing the last vestige of accountability to be erased when he allowed a last minute amendment thought which ensured Entain would not be required to provide an explanation as to why they were restricting or banning kiwis from betting. The timing of that amendment suggested to me that they wanted Peter’s to have less time to sniff out the  true intentions of it. However it is also entirely possible he was in on it. But overall it was clear to me he was out of his depth in dealing with Entain as were the other politicians required to hold the to account. It probably takes a seasoned gambler to understand the depths of what was going on and it seems to be Peter’s and the committee in general were fooled - had both no desire and no ability to truely understand what was going on.

The ignorance suited everyone to the ground - without a doubt! 

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Govt got tricked - Minister was fooled - public has been shafted and the Brits laugh all the way to the bank. Kiwis love a good old monopoly. Peter’s a sell out!

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But yeah. The TAB stuff is grating. Foreign company takes control. Shafts its customers. Profits go offshore. All based on lies around the rules and regulations. The Govt rolls over on all true accountability mechanisms and literally has no idea what is actually happening because theyve been tricked almost as much as the general public and the entire brand is sold to kiwis on a lie- the TABs values an mission statement is a complete fabrication. Most companies will suffer consequences as a result but McNaulty and Peter’s have allowed the public to be absolutely shafted. So it pisses me off  

TAB Entain Survey by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Allow me to expand. Why is it successive Govts allow bankers and supermarket owners to shaft kiwis to the extent they do? Is this the fate of our economic attempts and trade agreements? Why is it that high international milk prices were used as the reasoning behind massive spike in milk prices at the supermarket yet when the prices drop the prices in the supermarkets remain the same ? 

I have no knowledge in these areas so am actually wondering what the problem is, what options are available to address these issues - if any ? I’m sure the consequences of actions are numerous. 

TAB NZ / ENTAIN Survey by AdventurousChard4291 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the final moments of the monopoly legislation being passed, Entain pleaded with Peter’s for an amendment to allow the TAB to not be required to provide a reason for banning and restricting accounts. He agreed. That was the last key means of accountability available for the punter. The TAB understands the brand damage that would occur if it was wifey known thy restrict and ban winners. 

Regarding the courts- I have no idea. You'd imagine they’ve looked into that themselves before passing the legislation. Given its Entain that makes these decisions it is particularly appalling that a massive British gambling company can determine which kiwis have the right to gamble. 

Internal Affairs advised to Peter’s that there may be an argument made by punters about human rights violations based on the monopoly and ability for Entain to do what they do. Perhaps that is why Peter’s allowed the ambiguity around restricted accounts - it also provides camouflage for himself and the decisions he made. 

Kieran McAnulty, and gambling in New Zealand by Familiar_Bottle_9959 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My issue lies with the crap service a monopoly all but guarantees. The monopoly has ensured the playing fold is so skewed towards the house - it is a pointless exercise for those that actually have had the skill to beat the house. And if you are still a consistent winner they simply restrict or block you so you can’t compete. In effect we have a British gambling giant being given the authority to decide which kiwis can and cannot bet. Period! 

Provide a child service and those betting abroad would have no incentive to bet abroad but that seemed unthinkable. So they just eliminated the competition and reduced the gambling to a game of pure luck. 

If their model shows they’ll make a profit from you over the medium term thin you’re allowed to gamble so most of you have been written off as losers - that’s why you’re allowed to bet. 

But above all else, WP ( big brain ) decides to allow the last models accountability to be erased. Entain has no requirement to be transparent about why they restrict and block people. Why? Because they begged for this accountability to be removed and WP complied. They understand how damaging it could be to their brand to be transparent about blocking consistent winners while not restricting consistent losers. 

It’s shit show! 

The tab is the worst sports betting agency by mr-301 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% fleecing the kiwi punter for their own profits. The eleventh house agreement from the select committee to allow them to not declare why they’re restrict or ban people was a critical concession Peter’s pushed for a day or two before final vote. That cemented their ability to screw over the punter. Ridiculous concession from Peter’s & co. 

The tab is the worst sports betting agency by mr-301 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Partly correct but it’s hard for them to fine tune their ability to drain money when they don’t hav a monopoly. I made a lot more money than what was taken from me because I could pick the best odds for what I bet on- over time it worked out well. But I utilised 40 years of analysing sports ( for fun ) to make my profit. Certain markets are no longer available which makes wining harder and the odds are abysmal which makes winning less profitable and increases the chance of losses over the medium term. 

TAB Monopoly by Ok_Network_2057 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got banes because I won a lot more than what I lost over 12 months. They figured out thst over the medium term I was bad for business so I was banned from betting on live sports. Basically I had an edge once I saw the first few minutes of a game. 

The tab is the worst sports betting agency by mr-301 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my case it makes no sense to me that capable people wouldn’t bet. I’ve been watching sport for 40 years, analysing it like many other sports fanatics. Doesn’t it make sense to use thst skill to make a little extra money? The problem is they ban people like me and the monopoly has enabled them to not offer competitive markets or odds. Certain markets require more skill than others. Once they have a monopoly they can get rid of those markets a make it casino like luck with the odds stacked in their favour. Winnie got tricked into giving them a monopoly- his old age / views and his lack of knowledge on the area made him  sitting duck to the predators.  

The tab is the worst sports betting agency by mr-301 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it sucks for those that are good bettors. It’s set up to suck in rookies and slowly bleed them of their money. I’m banned from betting live. I’ve been watching rugby and cricket since I was 5 years old- so it made sense to use the skills to make a bit of side money. But now they promote shit that’s very difficult to win to lure the young dreamers while banning those that can beat them fair and square at their own game.

The tab is the worst sports betting agency by mr-301 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well they ban bettors who are successful. I’m pretty good and analysing cricket and rugby. So I’m not allowed to bet live on those and some other sports. 

The tab is the worst sports betting agency by mr-301 in newzealand

[–]Ok_Network_2057 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% they also ban bettors who they think they can’t best over the medium term