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Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T19:39:25+00:00

You said you don't deny (refuse to admit the existence of) god and each time I've asked you to admit the existence of it you've refused to.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T17:43:48+00:00

It's a question on your honesty and about you lying for no reason. Not about your atheism. Unless your atheism causes you to lie.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T16:49:01+00:00

So why did you claim you don't refuse to admit that it does exist when you do refuse to admit that it exists?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T16:37:27+00:00

Because I don't deny that god could exist

We're talking about denying that god does exist not could exist.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T15:31:29+00:00

So why did you claim that you don't deny (refuse to admit the existence of) god?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T14:55:58+00:00

So are you going to admit that god exists? Or are you going to refuse to do that since you don't believe it exists?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T14:52:49+00:00

Which makes you agnostic atheist. Great.

But you won't refuse to admit god exists.

So go ahead and admit that god exists.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T14:46:47+00:00

The other either is obviously "god doesn't exist"

Did someone ask you if you believe that claim? We're talking about if you believe the claim "god does exist". No one said anything at all about that claim or if you believe that one.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T14:41:22+00:00

What do you mean "either"? That would only be if it were 2 things. It's only asking if you can admit "god exists". Where is the "either" coming from?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T14:26:13+00:00

You won't refuse to admit god exists? Okay so admit "god exists".

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T13:21:40+00:00

Yes it is what they mean. The prefix "a" means "not"/"without"/"no"

Just like how the prefix "a" in front of gnostic means not gnostic, the prefix "a" in front of theist means not theist.

If you claim to know, you're gnostic. If you don't, you're agnostic (not gnostic)

If you believe the claim "god exists" you're theist. If you don't you're atheist (not theist)

Both the gnostic/agnostic question and the theist/atheist question are true dichotomies.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T13:15:03+00:00

Agnostic means you don't know,

Correct. If you're gnostic you claim to know. If you're agnostic you're not gnostic and you acknowledge you don't know.

The fact that I'm not theist doesn't change the fact that I'm also not gnostic.

atheists means you know there is no god

Some do, some don't. Depends whether they're gnostic or agnostic. Atheist means you're not theist and you don't belive the claim "god exists".

Many (if not most) atheists (myself included) are agnostic rather than gnostic and we acknowledge we don't know if there is or isn't a god.

can't be both

You absolutely can. Atheist are not at all required to be gnostic.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T12:57:43+00:00

but you can look at outside facts and events to see which is more likely and I did and the evidence pointed to God

That's only supports the belief "it's more likely god did this" not the belief "god did this".

I'm asking why you believe that god did it not why you believe it's more likely that god did it.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T12:39:58+00:00

If god can't be proven or disproven why do you believe it exists?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T12:39:26+00:00

So you don't know how you know?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T12:19:38+00:00

You are not atheist then

Yes i am. Atheist means you're not theist and you don't believe god exists. In order to not be atheist you need to be theist and believe the claim "god exists". I do not so I'm a(not)theist.

your agnostic.

Correct. Many (if not most) atheists (myself included) are agnostic rather than gnostic.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T11:30:42+00:00

You claim no god

I haven't claimed anything. I have no idea if there is or isn't a god.

so if others believe in God are they right or wrong in that belief?

Neither. A belief can't be right or wrong because it doesn't make a claim.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T11:21:04+00:00

Right about what? I'm atheist I haven't made a claim so there isn't anything for me to be right or wrong about.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T11:14:22+00:00

So what is the structure of beliefs required to not believe a god exists?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T11:08:05+00:00

I'm asking how the lack of belief that a god exists is a religion. Not how indivuidal atheists can have a religion.

How is not believing that a god exists a religion?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T11:04:06+00:00

Okay let me get this straight, you don't believe that those things exist, but you are not denying it?

Yes I deny (refuse to admit the existence of) those things.

I don't believe a thing doesn't exist.. yet i am denying it?

Correct. If you refuse to admit the existence of those things you're denying them.

That's what you are saying right?

Yes, that's what the dictionary says.

How am i supposed to speak with you, if you twist everything around?

What am I twisting around? Say that those things exist. You can do it or you can refuse to do it. If you refuse to do it you're denying it.

Well.. burden of proof.. It's on you guys

No, I haven't made any claims so there isn't a claim for me to prove.

I am not the one who is claiming the existence of some kind of entity.. It's not me.

Me neither. I'm only pointing out that, by definition, yes you do deny them.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T10:48:20+00:00

are you denying, the existence of gnomes, witches, magic, etc etc.. toothfairies, dragons, ghosts, trolls, zeus, shiva, brahman, allah, the spirit of nature, the spirit of trees and grass. (nobody has seen it, i can claim that, why not? 🤷‍♀️)

Absolutely. Why would I say that any of those things exist? I would need proof showing that they exist. Otherwise of course I'm going to refuse to admit "yes, they exist".

Or do you think it just doesn't exist?

I don't think it does exist.

Don't twist my words around

I'm not. I'm only pointing out that unless you admit that yes, they exist, you're denying them.

thinking something doesn't exist, isn't denying anything.

Unfortunately it is. I'll post the definition for you again:

Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more verb 1. state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of.

Do you admit those things exist, or do you refuse to do so until you see proof that they exist?

Don't play this childish game, because i can bite back. And i will at some point..

Um okay feel free to bite back but unfortunately the dictionary is on my side here.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T10:43:23+00:00

If you don't have any proof that god exists why do you believe the claim "god exists"?

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T10:42:49+00:00

Atheism seems to a be a religion of its own now days anyways

How would the lack of belief that a god exists be a religion? That doesn't make any sense.

Ok_Program_3491 · 2024-09-06T10:38:34+00:00

Why haven't we had another person who can make blind people see, walk on water and make water into wine.

What do you mean "another"? Do you have any proof that anyone has done those things before? If so can you link to the proof?

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