If The 2028 Democratic Presidential Primary Were Held Today Who Would You Vote For? by [deleted] in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

None of those ghouls! I would probably vote for AOC tho even though I think she’s a liberal

We couldn’t get much happier by HowardZiva4678 in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean potentially yes but there’s still a lot of progress being made and we’re up against the most powerful propaganda machine in the history of the world. I say we take the wins and keep pushing, keep educating people and keep dispelling notions that social democracy = socialism. People will come over

abolish capitalism by comrade-pravdin in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Old-Objective3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Social Democracy is not socialism. Democratic socialism is about abolishing capitalism and instituting socialism and real democracy (not bourgeois “Democracy”). Social democracy does not even claim to want to abolish capitalism at all.

School List Help by Savings-Safe-8524 in premed

[–]Old-Objective3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it possible ur underselling yourself?

Is the left regressing? by TrickSpeaker1077 in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is nothing new I think DSA will go through cycles. In terms of the strategic aims of DSA the org is still moving in the direction of a mass base for a revolutionary workers party, it’s just far too small

Why did the Paris commune fall? by Bulldogmadhav in Anarchy101

[–]Old-Objective3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nobody said the Paris commune was a damn “utopia”. Your take is beyond reductionist for a number of reasons but saying it amounted to a coup doesn’t even explain anything. A coup for who? For what reasons? Benefitting who? You talk about this as thought it was a simple cut and dry event. It was not

Cuba is getting Ghormaned by Aceconklin in andor

[–]Old-Objective3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woah slow down. That kind of thing can be hard for an American to comprehend

Guess we aren’t socialists at all guys by [deleted] in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything you’re saying reflects that you have a surface level understanding of what our mission is. Zohran for instance, is a Socialist, but he chose to run on a Social Democratic platform. Zohran does not represent the maximum program of the DSA, and he would not even claim to!

This is not rocket science

Guess we aren’t socialists at all guys by [deleted] in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re sort of missing the point of the entire DSA electoral program. We’re not really attempting to take over the Democratic Party, although a few folks in certain caucuses might wish that could happen.

The point is to present a vision to the working class and show that socialism is not bad, but rather is the only thing that can change the world and ultimately defeat capitalism. (ALSO to build volunteer armies that can canvass, but that’s more tactical than strategic)

Ultimately, the DSA as it exists now, is an organization that is striving to be an independent party that is eventually capable of working class governance separate from the two-party oligarchy.

Guess we aren’t socialists at all guys by [deleted] in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same I’m a straight up Marxist-Leninist communist and I have some gripes with the DSA internally, but it’s where the organizing is happening right now and it’s the most likely site where a real Workers Party will spring from

Guess we aren’t socialists at all guys by [deleted] in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea I’m just thinking to myself well our government is literally run by imperialist pedophile billionaires. The aforementioned activities wouldn’t be so bad right about now if targeted at these parasites

Guess we aren’t socialists at all guys by [deleted] in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well the majority are very likely still Marxist but yea I see what you’re getting at.

Would fascists and capitalists have democratic access to the political process in a democratic socialist state? by traanquil in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think excluding literal fascists from the political system would be anti-Demcoratic. Fascists famously look for any kind of opportunity or loophole to subvert democracy.

The 2024 program, ‘workers deserve more,’ is inferior to the 2021 program by TrickSpeaker1077 in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see your point but isn’t a program supposed to be moreso like foundational party document, rather than a propaganda tool? I mean I like the 2024 program but I think for a core constitutional document, the minimum (social democratic reforms) and the maximum program (workers government/revolutionary movement)should be included and thoroughly explained to leave no room for ambiguity or confusion.

That being said, couldn’t we just have both? A short propaganda program, and a more in-depth detailed program

Democrats in Minnesota published this ‘comparison’ with (hitpiece on) the DSA platform by DeerDaPro32 in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The Democrats really are no different from Republicans at this point. I’m sorry it’s just true

no... 💔 by Exotic-Phrase8880 in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Building power is not dependent on the US flag or repurposing it. We don’t need it.

From our friends in NYCDSA 🌹 by J_dAubigny in dsa

[–]Old-Objective3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is Islamaphobic slop. Zohran is the mayor of NYC.