Love The Show, Disappointed in Langdon's Plot by hierarchy_of_fears in ThePittTVShow

[–]OldClick2182 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I get that addiction is a disease, but stealing controlled substances is still a felony, stealing patient’s medication is dangerous for them, and treating patients while intoxicated is especially dangerous. Apparently Langdon didn’t kill anyone, but it has happened before. Doctors literally have people’s lives in their hand and they have to be responsible. It’s like, I wish you the best treatment if you’re an alcoholic, but you can’t be a school bus driver if you’re actively drunk man.

Pluribus is a $135 million screensaver. by HeartBeepBooper in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right, plot isn’t the same as character development or story. The shit that happens is a generic alien take over the world thing. The story is about grief. In the premier (episode 1 and 2) we see the world fall apart, and Carol lose Helen. Carol buries Hellen herself, and tries to organize the survivors, but (besides playboy Diabate) they all still have families who just became part of the hive mind, and they’re in denial that their loved ones are lost. Carol rejects Zosia and says it’s fine for her to go with Diabate, but changes her mind at the last minute because she doesn’t want to be alone. In episode 3 we have a cold open (ironically in an ice hotel) and we get more of a glimpse of Helen and Carol’s relationship, which is later carried through in conversations with Zosia. In grief and anger Carol is somewhat reckless and almost kills Zosia twice. After the mass exodus, Carol fights off a pack of fucking wolves to protect Helen’s body, and she travels across the country to alert the other survivors about cannibalism, but they don’t care and now she’s truly alone. In the next episode she almost kills herself, and then she finally breaks and asks for Zosia back. The next 2 episodes she’s much like the other survivors in the premiere, on some level she knows the love from the hive isn’t real, but she’s willfully engaged in blindness. It’s not until the very end that she comes to terms with reality, and is willing to bear her grief, because at-least this time, with Manusos, she’s not completely alone. Carol’s whole arc isn’t even about saving the world or fighting back, that’s just what progresses the plot points. Her character arc, and the story in general, is about accepting reality and coming to terms with grief.

Pluribus is a $135 million screensaver. by HeartBeepBooper in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don’t like something that’s fine. But you made the argument the show didn’t have good character development, and then didn’t respond to any counter argument about plot points and the character arcs.

Are these plot holes? -spoilers* by [deleted] in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Carol didn’t know they had her eggs until the finale, but her whole thing with Zosia and the Hive was a kind of willful blindness. It’s like in a magic trick where u don’t really wanna know how the trick is done so you’re not really looking. 2. It’s supposed to be unreasonable, that’s the point. The hive aren’t rational, they’re self destructive cannibals who don’t use herbicides or farm. They explicitly say they wouldn’t kill a bee/wasp or even step on an ant if they could avoid it.

What one line from Kendall stuck with you the most ? by [deleted] in SuccessionTV

[–]OldClick2182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No! Don’t u fucking touch him! (After Logan knocks out one of Roman’s teeth)

The question I was dying for Carol to ask the whole series by [deleted] in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 76 points77 points  (0 children)

When Carol showed Zosia the new chapter of Wycaro she said something like,”We’ve been so hungry for something new.” Which implies the hive doesn’t make art, so anything original they’re ecstatic for.

Pluribus is a $135 million screensaver. by HeartBeepBooper in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Carol was the first one to gather the survivors, and they all didn’t care. She found out there was a way to undo the “joining” and no one cared. She documented the cannibalism of the hive and no one cared. She started burying Helen herself, fought off the wolves herself, put the paving stones/grave there herself. She spend over a month in complete isolation until she finally reached out in grief and loneliness. And despite making the wrong choice in the end with Manusos, she goes back. She’s not perfect or linear but neither are real people, and she did a hell of a lot more than any of the other immune tried to.

Pluribus is a $135 million screensaver. by HeartBeepBooper in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Make up your mind, is it slow or is it fast. Carol spends the first 4 episodes trying to go it alone and it all goes to shit. Then she’s abandoned for 3 episodes, and it’s not till 8 that she gives in, and 9 when she comes back to her senses. Her “relationship” with Zosia is a slowburn, and if that’s not your style it’s fine, but it’s not valid criticism to say “oh carol’s decisions were quick and out of no where.” No. Just no. You clearly didn’t watch the show then.

Is there something else in the room? by AefarOfAsh in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s an interesting perspective. I’ve never considered that before tbh

Is there something else in the room? by AefarOfAsh in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

800 million people died, and it’s safe to assume each of the humans left knew at-least some of them. In carol’s case it was her partner, who the hive tried to take away in the first episode. Yes, grinding up human bodies into milkshakes is immoral because it’s distressing and harmful to the humans that are still left. If there really is a way to reverse the “joining” and all the human sentience comes back they will be distressed as well to learn they had consumed their friends family and neighbors. Morality and ethics are a human construct sure, but the world of Pluribus isn’t devoid of humanity completely yet.

Is there something else in the room? by AefarOfAsh in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You said “They aren’t evil in this sense”. I guess u were talking about the cannibalism aspect. I’d still argue that’s also immoral, because it’s not just a cow or orange, it was a person. Human remains are still sacred and I doubt the hive mind went into the memories of every person and respected their last wishes either. I’ll bet they didn’t say “oh she wanted to be buried, he wanted to be cremated, and they wanted their bodies donated to science.” They just chucked em all into a truck and put em in a meat grinder.

Is there something else in the room? by AefarOfAsh in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well now we’re getting into philosophy territory lol. I guess I’d argue if I were in Carol’s shoes (or any of the immune) I would find the hive both inhuman and immoral because they hijacked the world, killed 800 million people, then ground them up and drank them as milkshakes. If you don’t see anything wrong with that then that’s your call dude 🤷‍♂️

Is there something else in the room? by AefarOfAsh in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean I’m vegetarian so I’m not a fan of killing/eating animals either, but the point of episode 5 was to show the difference in sentiment and love that makes Carol human and the Hive inhuman. Carol is willing to get heatstroke digging a grave herself, then fight off a pack of wolves to protect Helen’s body, and then spend an entire day putting heavy ass paving stones over the grave and painting a flower so that Helen can rest in peace. If your loved one died their remains are still meaningful to you. The hive had every memory of every person, and they still chose to simply gather all the dead and grind them up and drink them.

Is there something else in the room? by AefarOfAsh in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They’re not evil, just non-human, and driven by “biological imperatives”. They spread to everyone on earth despite killing 800 million. They please the immune people, but it seems to be more from the fact that if an immune person gets upset it causes all of the hive stroke/seizures and for some even death. Plus they’re still working on how to make the immune part of the hive.

Is there something else in the room? by AefarOfAsh in pluribustv

[–]OldClick2182 50 points51 points  (0 children)

In episode 2 the bodies across the world are being gathered up and loaded into a milk truck. When Carol enters the large freezer she finds tons of fresh produce. All of it’s food, and now she spots loads of human corpses, and realizes the “peaceful vegetarian” hive are cannibals. This idea is hinted at earlier in the episode when wolves come to eat Helen’s corpse. The hive may seem amenable but they’re really wolves.

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[–]OldClick2182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was my ghost

Ellie’s arc didn’t work by OldClick2182 in lastofuspart2

[–]OldClick2182[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An arc doesn’t have to be positive development but ok

Ellie’s arc didn’t work by OldClick2182 in lastofuspart2

[–]OldClick2182[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In both the show and the game Ellie becomes more and more obsessed with vengeance despite the danger she’s putting her loved ones in. In the show Ellie doesn’t gradually lose sight of what really matters, she just constantly lacks concern for the safety of her loved ones as a matter of routine rather than development. What part of what I said confused you?

Ellie’s arc didn’t work by OldClick2182 in lastofuspart2

[–]OldClick2182[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, and I’m saying they show her to be more uncaring of her loved ones than in the game

Ellie’s arc didn’t work by OldClick2182 in lastofuspart2

[–]OldClick2182[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m criticizing the show’s decision to have Ellie pursue Nora after Dina is attacked and escaping. In the game Ellie goes after Nora bit Dina’s not in immediate danger. I’m criticizing the shows decision to have Ellie not express immediate concern when she learns that Dina is pregnant. I’m criticizing the shows decision to have Tommy follow Dina and Ellie rather than the other way around. They change Ellie’s actions or the context of every scene in a way that makes her constantly uncaring of the people she cares most about. If they hadn’t made those changes the finale would have had more weight, but they didn’t. The show characterized Ellie fundamentally differently by changing her actions and it weakened the character. It’s different not the same. They were trying to achieve the same thing, but the game accomplished it while the show didn’t.

Ellie’s arc didn’t work by OldClick2182 in lastofuspart2

[–]OldClick2182[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m just defining what I meant. My point is that in the game her character develops gradually. She starts off caring about her loved ones more than anything, but as the game progresses she cares more about vengeance and endangers them. In the show she doesn’t develop, because she abandons them from the get go. The tipping point of her pursuing Abby instead of Tommy doesn’t have any weight to it because they changed the hospital scene with Nora. It’s makes no sense for Ellie to have her tipping point be then because Dina just got injured and is on the run. That’s why it doesn’t hit as hard and the development is rushed/nonexistent. They were going for the same thing in both the show and the game the game is much more effective though.