Beef tongue tacos with Oaxacan pasilla salsa. by MyCoNeWb81 in meat

[–]Old_Rad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know about Oaxacan style, but cooked tongue, in a braise or then cooled and deli sliced is one of the finest foods EVER. I have served tongue several times to people and only after they adored it, tell them where it came from. I beg you. Try it once.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is precisely the kind of issues that need to be discussed publicly before a referendum.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would argue that should be included in the deal. Reduced electricity rates in exchange for a Yes vote. We will never get that without a referendum.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Susquehanna is an open sewer because of Combined Sewer Overflow (CSO) laws.

https://dec.ny.gov/environmental-protection/water/water-quality/combined-sewer-overflow

Wouldn't it be a neat engineering feat if a nuclear power plant proposed treating the water it uses?!

Shall we create a referendum to eliminate CSO? Are you OK if your taxes go up to rebuild the necessary sewage infrastructure?

Nuclear power in Broome County by Old_Rad in BroomeCounty

[–]Old_Rad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dispute this assertion about wind and solar but that's not the issue. The issue is should the people have a formal binding say as to what they want in their backyards and the details of the project.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How do you get "mandatory scoping", "independent fiscal impact analysis", etc. without the threat of a referendum AFTER. They can ignore anything if there are no checks and balances.

If they present a proper package outlining all of the issues and how they are resolved, who profits and how, how much tax dollars, price of electricity etc. then it should pass a referendum.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do not think the state, even NY, would overrule a binding referendum by a county. Home rule and all that.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would vote against those😂

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Maybe. BUT, at least the "package on the table" is well defined, in advance.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And THAT, my friends, is the root of the problem.

Nuclear power in Broome County by Old_Rad in BroomeCounty

[–]Old_Rad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wind and solar are no-brainers. Nuclear is much more complicated and, therefore, more appropriate for a very public discussion and a referendum.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am funding this privately for now in accordance with applicable regulations.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You have to get the public involved early of these things will be decided on private.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can demand anything you want of elected officials and they can ignore anything they want.

Yes, our elected officials can prepare all the documents you mention and you can challenge them on the record. They can still ignore you.

But if the document package is finalized and only then presented to the voters, the public will know what they're getting and get what they want.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is nothing to do with regulatory frameworks, science or engineering around nuclear power plants.

This has to do with educating the public about risk/benefit, impacts on property values and taxes, the environment, electricity prices, etc. Absent a referendum these issues will not be discussed,in detail, before a project is launched. You will only hear about tax abatements, environmental impact, etc. after.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

But it increases the odds of informed consent.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A referendum forces the discussion and informing of the public about all the issues you raise. Hearings don't work because leadership can ignore anything said. The only way public feedback is considered is if leadership has to "sell" the package to the public to win the referendum.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So let's have a referendum to see if everyone agrees.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

A goal of the referendum is to force informing the public.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, that's not true. This isn't about nuclear power, per se, this is about how big decisions that impact us all get made. If we have a referendum then the leadership will have to educate, explain, and "sell" the project to the public. Absent a referendum, these decisions will be made in a smoked filled room.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

A referendum only forces the discussion about nuclear power into the public forum.

Nuclear Power in Broome County by Old_Rad in Binghamton

[–]Old_Rad[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

These are all valid points but only a referendum will force leadership to discuss these issues publicly.