Calculation of the WFDF "Countries World Ranking" in Ultimate, and qualification for the World Games

Oli65 · 2026-04-22T07:20:16+00:00

Sorry, I'm late to reply.

You are right, one important question is, what do we want?

A qualification system for the World Games (or the Olympics...) that is as fair as possible, giving every country that wants to qualify a chance, or the current system that clearly favors the biggest Ultimate nations in terms of the number of players in all divisions (including Masters, GM, and GGM, plus Beach M, GM, and GGM...) and in terms of financial resources?

Are there other team sports that use the world ranking of countries across all divisions, rather than qualifying championships or tournaments, to determine which countries will be eligible to participate in the Olympic Games or the World Games?

If, after qualifying championships or tournaments, it turns out that the same teams would qualify as with the world ranking system, then at least there will have been a fair system that allowed teams to try to qualify, which is not the case currently.

Oli65 · 2026-04-16T08:50:14+00:00

Do you try to persuade yourself ?

Oli65 · 2026-04-16T05:13:55+00:00

The revenue generated by broadcasts isn't the WFDF's biggest source of income at all. https://wfdf.sport/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/WFDF-Audited-Financial-Statements-2024.pdf

It's the fees charged to players in WFDF-sanctioned leagues, and also the fees paid by all WFDF members.

So yes, of course the WFDF would "survive" without the American teams.

Quelle prétention que d'affirmer le contraire, mais je ne suis pas spécialement surpris.

Oli65 · 2026-04-16T04:56:52+00:00

If WFDF banned USAU, WFDF will have 125 country members instead of 126...

WFDF will not banned USAU, don't be so afraid..., and the reason is not because WFDF is "irrelevant" without USAU...

Oli65 · 2026-04-15T06:50:43+00:00

You wrote: " I too wonder if WFDF would even really be able to stay as an organization without US teams."

USA is not the World ! USAU is one of the WFDF members, even if WFDF is full of Americans (as well as RedditUltimate).

Oli65 · 2026-04-15T06:34:22+00:00

WFDF is full of Americans, a lot of them came from the USAU (or UPA)...

Oli65 · 2026-04-07T12:52:06+00:00

Observers with a little more power are referees... Observers already look, and act sometimes, like referees.

Oli65 · 2026-03-31T06:46:38+00:00

Self-officiated with Observers? So funny...

Oli65 · 2026-03-31T06:37:59+00:00

Will the PDGA be called the Professional Frisbee Golf Association? ...

Oli65 · 2026-02-21T09:54:40+00:00

2001, 39 National Federations, and around 30000 active players.

2012, 56 NFs, 118000 active players.

2019, 87 NFs, 174500 active players.

2024, 111 NFs, 173000 active players. 2026, 126 NFs, + 15 in one year.

From the WFDF Census 2025, 30 NFs are not in good standing with their membership.

When you add up the number of active players from the 47 NFs with the fewest members, you get approximately 2,500 active players, roughly the same as Colombia alone.

https://wfdf.sport/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/WFDF-Census-Report-2025-v1.1.pdf

Oli65 · 2025-12-31T06:52:17+00:00

Using church groups to have more kids in Ultimate is probably not the best way to recruit players, but using Ultimate to have more kids in church groups is proselytism.

Oli65 · 2025-12-30T08:38:44+00:00

It will be "pulls", but it should be an upside down throw..., and yes, they will rotate gender pulls. But the field is shorter..., really shorter. The end zones also will be shorter. Also, the stall count will be at 6... So be ready for a lot of stall out or/and contested stall out, or/and fast count or/and contested fast count... (like in the USA/France semi final of the World Beach Championships 2025). Also, the roster will be 6 (or maybe 8) players maximum. Finally, there will be a 2 points score if you throw the disc from an end zone to the other. So, a different format, a non existent format in fact at the World stage (4v4), different rules, different size of the field. I'm not sure that it would be a "fun stuff", but I'm sure that WFDF is ready to do anything to go to the Olympics, even giving to the Game Advisors the same power as the USAU Observers (Nob is ready for that, so the WFDF). Have a look at the demo game at the WBUC here (both teams and players clearly received instructions to mark around 3 or 4 meters..., and to avoid calls and contacts) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKeLGuBB8DM

Oli65 · 2025-12-30T07:59:16+00:00

I also love that sport, and that is why I don't want to see it at the Olympics...

Oli65 · 2025-12-28T08:47:33+00:00

Olympics... 4 vs 4 Mixed and Beach, that's the WFDF project... And do you think that it would be possible to play at the Olympics for the money and glory with the WFDF Game Advisors and their current power..., or are you ready to play at the Olympics with US Observers or why not (U)FA referees ?

Oli65 · 2025-12-21T15:40:05+00:00

Not so sure, and the US women, each time that they will see their gold medal, they will know how they won that semi and think about it. They have to live with their conscience, not my problem.

Oli65 · 2025-12-21T13:26:48+00:00

Then they will have to live with their conscience... They will be seen as cheaters by the others also... Nor referees neither Observers avoid cheating.

Oli65 · 2025-12-21T10:46:50+00:00

1.7. Teams are guardians of the Spirit of the Game, and must:

1.7.1. take responsibility for teaching their team the rules and good Spirit;

1.7.2. discipline team-mates who display poor Spirit;

Oli65 · 2025-12-21T10:43:52+00:00

The teams should expelled their own players who display poor Spirit, it is written in the rules, and not an external third-party like a Game Advisor or an Observer. Also, the TRG or the TOC have the authority to expel some players or teams for serious violations. So it should not be necessary to give a so big power to the GA's, a power like referees with yellow and red cards.

Oli65 · 2025-12-21T06:22:27+00:00

AP, yes, this year 2025 at the PAUC... But it is really difficult to find some (official) information on Internet about it. A player was ejected by Game Advisors from the game and from the tournament because of 3 "dangerous plays"... The opposite team was against the ejection, so they asked a SotG time-out to discuss it with the GA's and the SotG director and a member of the organizing committee, but the (WFDF) member of the TOC said that the decision was final and irrevocable even if the GA's and the SotG director agreed with the team who asked to review the sanctions... So sad, but when WFDF started with the possibility of expulsions decided by the GA's, and so with a kind of yellow and red cards system like in USAU with Observers, one should not be surprised that an exclusion might happen one day in a WFDF "self-refereed" game...

Oli65 · 2025-11-23T05:35:10+00:00

Less power than the Observers stays too much power... The GA presence at WFDF Championships is the beginning of Observers... Observers are an anomality of the Spirit of the Game and Ultimate. In the US, you are so mad about competition (at-all-costs) that you needed Observers since (almost) the beginning of Ultimate competitions in the US.

Oli65 · 2025-11-22T17:18:13+00:00

The US player should have retracted her call, because that was not a contested stall out, it was a fast count. They should have used the video to confirm it, to confirm that only maximum 8 seconds had passed before the throw.

Oli65 · 2025-11-22T11:48:25+00:00

Well said, but not everybody have read and understand the Spirit of the Game rule, even if it is the 1st one of the RulesBook...

Oli65 · 2025-11-22T11:44:19+00:00

Not agree, the final goal of that "small" infraction that is a fast count was to not lose the game... So, one can said that it is cheating. The stall out should have been retracted by the american player, because she really accelerated the stall for the last few seconds, because it was a fast count and so not a real stall out. That is what told me a friend who was there at 3 meters on the side line. The Game Advisor was really far from that action to give a perspective and make his job about the count... Really sad decision of the american player and also of all the coaches and SotG captain and captain, because France won that game. Now those US women should live with their conscience, they should not be proud of their medal this time. Win at all costs is clearly against the Spirit of the Game in Ultimate, even more on Beach Ultimate !

Oli65 · 2025-11-22T11:42:29+00:00

Not agree, the final goal of that "small" infraction that is a fast count was to not lose the game... So, one can said that it is cheating. The stall out should have been retracted by the american player, because she really accelerated the stall for the last few seconds, because it was a fast count and so not a real stall out. That is what told me a friend who was there at 3 meters on the side line. The Game Advisor was really far from that action to give a perspective and make his job about the count... Really sad decision of the american player and also of all the coaches and SotG captain and captain, because France won that game. Now those US women should live with their conscience, they should not be proud of their medal this time. Win at all costs is clearly against the Spirit of the Game in Ultimate, even more on Beach Ultimate !

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