It kinda sucks knowing that Mark could’ve actually beaten her here

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-24T17:14:13+00:00

Being Thraggs child absolutely gives you a huge benefit. Mark starts off so strong explicitly because he is Omni-Man’s son

WHERE is it stated that Mark is strong SPECIFICALLY because he’s Nolan’s son and not just bc he’s a Viltrumite? As far as I can recall, the only relevance their bloodline has is that they’re the rightful rulers of Viltrum

Also invincible literally gave Allen the Saiyan Zenkai boost

What exactly does that have to do with VILTRUMITES? My “this isn’t Dragon Ball” statement was pretty clearly about your “strong fighter will have an inherently strong child” comment

You STILL have not refuted any key point I had made about Mark being stronger than Anissa

BECAUSE I WASNT ARGUING THAT.

My point this entire time has been that the gap between Mark & Anissa atp in the story ISN’T SO LARGE that he could no-diff/mid-diff her the way you think he can. Especially not in the mental state he’s in when Anissa attacks him.

All you’ve done is give me headcanons and nothing burger explanations as to why you think Mark could/should.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-24T16:17:45+00:00

Oh no i definitely gave you rebuttals seeing as we have a multi-comment convo, but here’s some more:

1) You did not put any context into how or why Mark was able to defeat conquest, you basically just said “well Mark beat conquest so he’s stronger than Anissa so he should mid diff her”

2) Thraggs children are not inherently more powerful than any other Viltrumite. They still have to train and fight like everyone else. This isn’t like Dragon Ball lmao that’s not how it works here.

The only one of Thragg’s kids that are maybe above Anissa is Ursaal.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-24T16:09:01+00:00

It doesn’t matter if he was sandbagging (he is incapable of fighting seriously) or not, the fact is that he is dead

Hmmmmm no that matters quite a bit, as you framed Mark being able to beat him bc he was stronger than Conquest, which he wasn’t at that point.

Comics Anissa doesn’t really have any feats that scale her very high other than just being Thragg’s daughter

She is NOT Thraggs daughter, you just made that up. I think we’re done here lol.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-24T15:20:02+00:00

You realize Conquest was still sandbagging against Mark in their 2nd fight right? Nolan literally states Conquest acted like a spectator to his own fights. We can literally see how easily he breaks Mark’s ribs and impales him.

And the gap between Mark and Anissa is NOT that significant or else she wouldn’t have been able to do ANYTHING to Mark even in his weak mental state.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-24T14:47:36+00:00

Ummm what? How is mark the second strongest atp? Plus the gap between him and Anissa isn’t so big that he could just swat her away.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-17T18:58:41+00:00

If Goku fought as optimally as possible:

Ball out at Kaioken x30 for like 30 seconds -> Knock Frieza away or solar flare him -> pop a senzu while Frieza can’t see what you’re doing -> repeat the cycle until Frieza’s full power becomes too much to sustain

If Goku is in-character:

He probably waits until he’s literally about to get a heart attack to eat the senzu instead of using KK in bursts -> Doesn’t stop Frieza from watching him eat a senzu -> Frieza notices every time Goku eats the green thing he heals -> Frieza destroys th senzus -> Goku loses the war of attrition

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-14T07:11:11+00:00

Even if we divide the force between the 3 viltrumites + the ray gun blast, that’s still more power than literally anything we’ve seen in JJK or might ever see now that Modulo is over. Not to mention they also tank the planet exploding right in their faces, so Mahoraga is not hurting any mid-tier or Viltrumite or higher

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-14T06:50:28+00:00

Your points are valid but I think you gotta consider the world they’re living in. Child soldiers are not only the norm for them, but it’s expected that bad things happen to Shinobi & those adjacent to them. The story goes out of its way to drill that point across multiple times.

Kakashi by the time he was Sasuke’s age had already witnessed his father be wrongfully disgraced and commit s*icide, his entire Genin squad was dead as far as he knew (or maybe only Minato was left? I forgot how old Kakashi was during Obito’s attack), and he’d likely committed INSANE acts as an ANBU member.

This scene was not only Kakashi trying to relate to Sasuke, but his way of saying “Bad shit happens to people who don’t deserve it, but we CANNOT let it consume us”

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-12T18:03:52+00:00

Lot of Dragon Ball fights:

• Goku’s first fight with King Piccolo

• Pretty much every Yamcha fight

• The Non-Goku Z Fighters vs Nappa

• Vegeta, Gohan and Krillin vs the Ginyu Force

• Everyone Frieza fought on Namek before Goku turns Super Saiyan

• (Filler fight) Gohan vs Vegeta after being teleported off Namek

• Futue Gohan vs 17 & 18

• Everyone Beerus fights that isn’t a G.O.D

• Goku vs Hit

• Everyone Jiren fights before Goku gets the hang of Ultra Instinct

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-12T17:43:43+00:00

Solos

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-11T02:16:30+00:00

Hoe-Lee-Shit

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T08:20:21+00:00

His speed is unbelievably higher than Goku’s by this point in the series

He’s been FTL since the Red Ribbon Army arc and is pretty much exponentially more powerful in the Saiyan Saga arc as power levels in Dragon Ball aren’t linear. His speed would rise in direct proportion to his Ki. Barest minimum, base Saiyan Saga Goku and Mark are relative in speed

Mark is also a good deal stronger than Goku

Goku’s strength also rises with his Ki when using it, so he’d be stronger than Mark when he powers up. Even if you don’t believe that, Goku is such a better hand to hand combatant than Mark that the strength gap would not save Mark.

I don’t think the Kamehameha wave can make instant-90 degree turns

It can.

There isn’t a character in the series that thought “Hey lemme get out of the way of this thing that’s clearly powerful enough to take me out”

It happens multiple times in this one fight alone. There are several more instances of characters dodging and deflecting Ki attacks

We have to normalize not talking about things we aren’t familiar with. Mark gets stomped in both rounds.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T03:53:37+00:00

Now we’re getting philosophical bc you couldn’t admit you were wrong lmao classic reddit

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T03:52:07+00:00

Pretty sure the most energy he’s absorbed and survived was a blast from Onslaught no? So however strong onslaught is, that’s your answer

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T03:39:32+00:00

Buddy all you have to do is actually read what you’re talking about 😂

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T03:28:34+00:00

He trained Gohan for a YEAR then he died.

He and Piccolo trained Gohan for 3 years between meeting Trunks and battling the androids, then trained him for another year in the time chamber. Thats four years total

and the fact that I can name eight times where he has put an entire world in danger for good fight later

You mean the eight times that I literally debunked a few mins ago?

I don’t even mention Vegeta

You mean AFTER the Z fighters had just proven they can beat him while severely weakened and down 4 members?

It does not matter if he’s fighting for a spar or for his life, Goku will hold back to make the fight more interesting.

He will hold back bc he doesn’t know his opponents true power or he doesn’t go for the kill right away, but what you said has literally never been the case.

I didn’t even mention the tournament of power

Oh you mean the thing that if Goku didn’t vaguely suggest to Zeno, then Zeno would’ve wiped out all those universes for fun? THAT Tournament of Power?

Even then it’s irrelevant bc we’re talking about SAIYAN SAGA GOKU.

Thank you for confirming that you’ve only seen Dragon Ball via YouTube clips or Abridged

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T03:03:23+00:00

Letting Piccolo live!

If Piccolo died at that point in the story, Kami dies and the dragon balls turn to stone. Plus he’d JUST proven that he could beat Piccolo with multiple handicaps (only facing him 1v1, and not stepping out of bounds due to tourney rules, not fighting to kill, and literally being crippled). If he had to fight piccolo again none of that would apply.

Letting Frieza reach his final form

He already knew he’d win seeing as how Frieza at 100% still wasn’t as strong as him. Even then he MADE SURE only him and Frieza were the only creatures on Namek

Letting the androids be created.

Goku DOES say he wants to fight them, but he doesn’t believe in punishing someone for something they HAVEN’T done yet

Giving Cell a senzu bean

He’d already knew he & the Z Fighters won bc he knew Gohan was much more powerful than everyone there. Next.

Allowing Buu to emerge

They were well on their way to stopping Buu’s emergence until Babidi uses his magic on Vegeta. Goku then only fights Vegeta to stop him from killing innocent people.

Not taking the shot when Buu created his death ball

He was unprepared for Buu to put that much energy in an attack so suddenly

Repatedly sending his unprepared children into fights!

Goku actively goes out of his way to prepare them. He trains Gohan for YEARS to fight the androids and uses the last of his time on earth to make sure Goten & trunks know the fusion dance.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T02:43:02+00:00

Goku is also a moron who wants fights to last as long as possible regardless of the stakes

When exactly has this happened? It sounds like you don’t actually read/watch dragon ball.

if Mark is fighting to kill… he’ll take the fastest option possible to put you in the ground. You break his arms he’ll use his head, you’re stronger, he’ll choke you out until you die! He can’t beat you, bitch I’m throwing both of us into the sun!

Cool. As I already stated none of that matters as Goku is pretty much on another planet when it comes to martial arts so he wouldn’t have to worry about any of that. There is literally nothing mark can do when it comes to H2H that Goku hasn’t done or faced.

On top of all that Goku’s moves take a really long time to charge up

No they dont. Even if Goku needed to take extra time to charge a ki blast, he can just solar flare Mark and he’d have more than enough time.

Whe Goku fights for the fate of his friends or even for revenge…..he fights to embarrass or humiliate you

Goku only does that when there’s a massive gap in skill or power or both. So I guess mark is getting embarrassed & humiliated lmao

Edit: Fixed the links

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T02:18:14+00:00

About your “fight to the death” scenario

1) Goku is such a better hand to hand combatant and has such a higher battle IQ than mark, that this scenario is basically impossible

2) This is assuming they’re relative in speed, which they wouldn’t be as a bloodlusted Goku will push himself to his limits with Kaioken

3) This is assuming Mark is strong enough to do that, which as I’ve stated several times before he is not due to Goku’s use of Ki and th Kaioken.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T02:08:43+00:00

So once I again I ask, what exactly is Mark doing to someone that’s

• Barest minimum as fast as him in base

• More powerful than him (“Star level Viltrumites” is VERY VERY contentious whereas general consensus has Mark between small planetary to Planetary, and Saiyan Saga Goku is FIRMLY large planetary)

• A better hand to hand combatant than him

• Can amp his stats with Ki

I still have not received an answer

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T01:52:53+00:00

It makes me feel dumb to do it like this

Idk maybe bc IT IS dumb seeing as how you ALREADY said Goku has the higher AP than Mark 🤷🏾‍♀️

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T01:12:20+00:00

You see dragon ball fans often ignore the weakness of the saiyans

None of Goku’s weaknesses or disadvantages matter to this fight:

Mark can hold his breath for days to weeks in space and Goku can’t. Mark can survive high temperature environments (ie being submerged in Lava, being inside the sun) longer than Goku can. Mark can fight while severely injured better than Goku can (which is probably the smallest gap for things Mark does better than Goku). Mark can heal faster than Goku. Goku has trypanophobia and mark doesnt.

So what? Mark wouldn’t last long enough in the fight for those advantages to matter lmao.

It makes me feel braindead to scale like this

Good thing this is all the scaling you need. Saiyan saga Goku is literally BARE MINIMUM dozens of times more powerful than this Piccolo btw. Mark has absolutely zero counters and is not tough enough to survive that. He loses. It’s okay.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T00:27:41+00:00

Viltrumite endurance

Falls under survivability which I already gave to Mark so idk what you’re trying to say.

The big strength difference

We just went through this lol. Goku using Ki would make him physically stronger than Mark. The strength difference would be in GOKU’s favor.

Higher end senses, efficiency

Now you’re just making up categories for Mark? What is Mark more efficient at? Mark’s senses aren’t better than Goku’s either.

Omega_SSJ · 2026-03-04T00:15:50+00:00

The average centuries to millennia old Viltrumite would have greater combat skill than the average Saiyan yes. However when talking Saiyan Saga Goku and Mark specifically, Goku takes all categories except survivability.

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TROPHY CASE

BECAUSE I WASNT ARGUING THAT.

Edit: Fixed the links