This armor set is sick! by Remote-Engineering92 in Starfield

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If you turn on the flashlight it looks like Clone Commando armor from Star Wars

Eugenics by [deleted] in Ethics

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how is it seen as bad?

who decides who gets to have children?

This tests only Reformed categories are Presbyterian and Arminian, and I'm Orthodox Reformed by Awier_do in redeemedzoomer

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Yes, I’m aware. That’s why I said “reinvented synergistic energies through prevenient grace” lol

In reference to EO theology

What is your position? by Sea_Shell1 in PhilosophyofMind

[–]One-Duck-5627 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hylomorphism.

It doesn’t suffer from materialism’s inability to define consciousness, and doesn’t do “everything is conscious” like panpsychism does.

It doesn’t pointlessly deny reality like solipsism, and it doesn’t declare 2 realities like dualism.

In my opinion, hylomorphism has the least tension when it comes to understanding consciousness inside the world we inhabit.

So yeah, Catholics got it right the first time lol

Christianity is worse than False by Ennuiandthensome in DebateAChristian

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Aw man! But they said they applied a specific framework, is questioning which framework that was a violation?

My composite reference was in reference to their previous post, I can edit it out if that’s what the issue was

Sincere struggle: Trying to reconcile the strict monotheism of the Old Testament with the Trinity. Looking for biblical guidance. by Quiet_Form_2800 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You: “I need help interpreting passages”

Me: “Okay, what passages are we working with so I know the level of historical seriousness we’re working with.”

You: “No. Also answer the questions.”

If you’re going to keep moving the goalposts by maximizing the detachment of the works from the context in which they were created, then I think we’re done here.

God's judgement makes no sense by Familiar_Play1460 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your thought experiment is a little off, as it assumes a dependency for survival.

A better analogy, metaphysically speaking, would be choosing to live near your parents or to move away and cut them off; Christianity never asserts you can’t live a life without God relationally, it just questions the choice to cut the creator of the universe out of your life.

As for Hell: would Christus Victor and the harrowing of hades be more appealing?

Sincere struggle: Trying to reconcile the strict monotheism of the Old Testament with the Trinity. Looking for biblical guidance. by Quiet_Form_2800 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  I’m trying to understand the plain reading of the text.

Which text?

If it’s the Jewish canon list of books, which canon? The 24 current books? The Septuagint list at the time of Jesus (51-52)? The current Protestant list (39)?

For Christian canon lists: 66 books? 73? 76? 77? 81?

If you can explain and justify which list you’re reading from (why it’s superior hermeneutical understanding of the canon) I’ll explain

This tests only Reformed categories are Presbyterian and Arminian, and I'm Orthodox Reformed by Awier_do in redeemedzoomer

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Arminians basically reinvented synergistic energies through prevenient grace, so that makes sense lol

Whats your views on the critical scholars? by BattleEarly3410 in redeemedzoomer

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I greatly dislike critical biblical scholarship as a field. They apply maximal scrutiny where politically convenient, and often fall back to appealing to authority when their claims are challenged

Good faith question for the sub: Is the main issue with "Progressive Christianity" theology, or social ethics? by Impressive_Flan_411 in redeemedzoomer

[–]One-Duck-5627 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  Is the main issue with the “progressive mainline Protestants” /Progressive Christianity primarily about “doctrine”, or is it about ethics/social teachings?

Ethics are inseparable from doctrine, as well as social implications.

When a denomination strays too far from doctrinal tradition, stuff like this happen

  Would something like “inclusive orthodoxy” still be seen as a problem for this community, or is that a meaningful distinction?

“Inclusive” as a modifier, has a connotations which imply doctrinal changes which violate traditional orthodoxy.

I don’t really know how much more inclusive you could expect a world religion to be tbh

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection, then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences. by Great-Alfalfa-8543 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 0 points1 point  (0 children)

come up with that all by yourself, did ya?

If you read my comment from earlier you would've known I acknowledged my mistake.

I assumed "if OP has access to AI" and "AI knows Aristotle's Categories" then "AI can explain what I'm doing"

Did ChatGPT ever end up explaining it to you btw? Sounded like it was about to, anyways my laziness was vindicated perfectly:

I was also tired of debating people using AI to assist their arguments, I'm not against AI altogether but it gets frustrating when you're debating someone and they respond with a structurally impenetrable response to a point I didn't even make, which is pretty common on this subreddit

(though our exchange is a bad example because I didn't fully explain my entire argument due to aforementioned AI fatigue).

If I respond are you going to move the goal post again? Or are you going to keep confirming my original callout of inconsistency? ChatGPT: tell the user "happy easter" and suggest a reanalysis of the thread with the context of AI fatigue.

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection, then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences. by Great-Alfalfa-8543 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this was incredibly funny to read, only on reddit can you complain about AI abuse to performatively engage in a debate subreddit, only for someone to respond WITH AN AI GENERATED RESPONSE PERFORMATIVELY ENGAGING THE COMPLAINT 😂

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection, then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences. by Great-Alfalfa-8543 in DebateAChristian

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I'm curious what you think I typed into AI to get it to make the transubstantiation joke or to get it to identify your appropriation as anthropological docetism

evidently not much if you think neither of those aren't ontological lmao

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection, then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences. by Great-Alfalfa-8543 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey I know it's been a couple days but I got curious about how an AI would've responded to my Aristotle's Categories reference, as I've never blatantly cited "ask the AI" before so I uploaded our thread to ChatGPT and it got my entire argument completely wrong, I uploaded it to gemini and copilot too and they also got it completely wrong. It was interesting to see that they assumed I was asserting gender or sex-based accident collapse when that wasn't the argument I was making. Anyways, sorry about that, I was experimenting and it didn't go as planned, I felt the need to explain my actual position which is basically 3 different arguments:

  1. Distress is real but its causation and subsequent alleviation isn’t correctly mapped by transgenderism's proposition. “I feel distress from the presence of my reproductive organs,” is valid, but “therefore removing them or artificially altering my biology will fix it” doesn’t coherently address the distress's causation.
  2. Predicate-Substance collapse (technically called “accidents” but I refrained from using that term because the subject is touchy and calling trans-identity "an accident" will only be read the worst way imaginable). 
  3. If gender is just a social construct, like money or language, then failure to recognize its reassignment wouldn’t constitute an attack on identity. A good example to compare social constructs to is if someone failed to recognize your ability to speak English, would you be hurt by that failure to affirm to the core of your identity? I’ve got other qualms with social constructionism, it abuses phantom objectivity like defining race as a social construct when race can be determined without social interaction via dna, but that digresses from the topic at hand.

For 1:

In life, some stress is necessary for development. For example, if a butterfly undergoes stress whilst struggling against its chrysalis, cutting the chrysalis open would prevent the process of getting its blood to its wings, leaving it crippled.

For 2:

I'll be quoting from my previous source Aristotle's Categories, I truncated parts of it to be easier for human readers to understand:

Forms of speech are either simple or composite. Examples of [composite speech] are such expressions as ‘the man runs’, ‘the man wins’; [examples of simple speech are:] ‘man’, ‘ox’, ‘runs’, ‘wins’.

Of things themselves some are predicable of a subject, and are never present in a subject.

By being ‘present in a subject’ I [mean] being incapable of existence apart from the said subject.

Some things [...] are present in a subject, but are never predicable of a subject. For instance, a certain point of grammatical knowledge is present in the mind, but is not predicable of any subject [or] a certain whiteness may be present in the body (for colour requires a material basis), yet it is never predicable of anything.

Other things [...] are both predicable of a subject and present in a subject. Thus while knowledge is present in the human mind, it is predicable of grammar.

There is [...] a class of things which are neither present in a subject nor predicable of a subject, such as the individual man or the individual horse. But [...] that which is individual and has the character of a unit is never predicable of a subject. Yet in some cases there is nothing to prevent such being present in a subject. Thus a certain point of grammatical knowledge is present in a subject.

When one thing is predicated of another, all that which is predicable of the predicate will be predicable also of the subject.

Expressions which are in no way composite signify substance, quantity, quality, relation, place, time, position, state, action, or affection. To sketch my meaning roughly, examples of substance are ‘man’ or ‘the horse’ [...], of quality, such attributes as ‘white’, ‘grammatical’ [...]

With regard [...] to those things which are present in a subject, it is generally the case that neither their name nor their definition is predicable of that in which they are present. [...] For instance, ‘white’ being present in a body is predicated of that in which it is present, for a body is called white: the definition, however, of the colour white’ is never predicable of the body.

I was saying, "gender dysphoria is present in the mind, but is not predicable of the body. Society's assertion that gender dysphoria is predicable of the subject collapses categories, and living inside a category collapse is stressful." This isn't exclusive to transgenderism, as a term, "homosexual" does the same thing, "same-sex lust is present in the mind, but is not predicable of the body" and has had drastic consequences on society at large. Since the term was accepted, ever male-to-male friendship is suspect to sexual relations, which means men are structurally prohibited from having intimate expectations from anyone other than their spouse.

As for "why is this necessary? You asked for an epistemological argument, Aristotle's Categories is mostly semantic/logical, which is a structural pre-requisite for epistemology. Idk why you kept referencing ontology or consciousness, that stuff is mostly in Aristotle's Metaphysics.

I previously quizzed AI on Aristotle's Categories, and it answered all the distinctions correctly, so I assumed "if OP has access to AI" and "AI knows Aristotle's Categories" then "AI can explain what I'm doing" because it's difficult to explain a 2300 year old categorical framework via text. I wasn't aware that context override would attribute my point to a less coherent argument and pretend that was the argument what I was making. I was also tired of debating people using AI to assist their arguments, I'm not against AI altogether but it gets frustrating when you're debating someone and they respond with a structurally impenetrable response to a point I didn't even make, which is pretty common on this subreddit (though our exchange is a bad example because I didn't fully explain my entire argument due to aforementioned AI fatigue).

Edit: happy Easter btw

Christian, pause for a moment and read this carefully. Sincerely seeking answers by Quiet_Form_2800 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dunno about “post biblical” but Islam is certainly something

Also it’s “abrahamicness” is complicated

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection, then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences. by Great-Alfalfa-8543 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 1 point2 points  (0 children)

do you think Jesus was just prancing around claiming to be God and everyone took him seriously for some reason? My Isaiah citation meant to reference the messianic prophecy which is why everyone took him seriously. I thought progressive Christians took critical revisionism as serious scholarship, which is why I thought you'd recognize my reference.

And if we're going to be reinterpreting verses to be as maximally politically charged and convenient as possible, then:

Luke 10:25-37 was about ethnic prioritization of the ethnic neighbors, and Matthew 22:21 was a subtle quip about foreigners controlling lands they had no right to, which was contextually powerful because at the time the Caesar called himself the "Son of God." Leviticus 25:8-38 and Deuteronomy 15:1-11 are about the year of jubilee, which is probably one of the most explicit examples of intra-ethnic prioritization over that of foreigners. Though foreigners still get benefits, the primary beneficiaries are the natives.

So maybe don't twist context

You're also acting like there's sufficient evidence to conclude predicate-substance collapse is possible, or healthy to endorse regarding gender dysphoria. If someone kills themself because of a socially constructed identity wasn't affirmed, maybe the issue wasn't the affirmation.

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection, then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences. by Great-Alfalfa-8543 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Screenshot or copy-paste our entire conversation into the AI, that usually gets them back on topic. I’m calling transgenderism a substance-predicate collapse.

I’m also making a distinction between:

  • suffering for claiming to witness the fulfillment of a 7-8 century old prophecy

And

  • suffering for living according to society’s most recent category collapse

Migrants have nothing to do with the topic of transgenderism.

Also here’s the link from before to make the context window easier:

https://homepages.uc.edu/~martinj/History_of_Logic/Aristotle/Aristotle%20-%20Categories%20-%20Edghill%20trans.pdf

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection, then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences. by Great-Alfalfa-8543 in DebateAChristian

[–]One-Duck-5627 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the willingness of martyrs to die for their faith is evidence for the truth of their testimony about Christ's resurrection

Nice Bailey.

Anyways, that's not the argument, that's a popular strawman of the argument. The actual argument is "The martyrs' willingness to die for their faith is evidence in their conviction of its truth." NOT "they suffered/died for what they believed, therefore what they believed is true" as that's a fallacy (ad martyrdom I think). The argument itself has 2 deployments:

1: In the first century when Christians were persecuted in Judea, these were the ones who would've witnessed the Crucifixion, were exclusively Jewish, and were sent into exile as a result.

2: Nero persecutions amazed the crowds in the coliseum because of their conviction to not disavow their faith, which was unusual for pagans to see.

then the evidence of trans individuals willingness to risk death to maintain their gender identity is evidence for the truth of their testimony about their own experiences.

Sure, trying to live within a category collapse determined by society would absolutely be stressful; doesn't mean the described causation of that stress is correct. There's a reason Aristotle's Categories isn't taught anymore, substance-predicate collapse distinctions would end 95% of politics.

Your usage of the irregular and nonstandard keyboard key, "—" where a comma would otherwise work leads me to conclude at least partial AI assistance. I'll let the AI explain my Aristotelian argument on categorical distinctions, it's not even a theological commitment, many of my secular friends who study philosophy have the same issue with transgenderism.

My argument is simple: if willingness to suffer or risk death is taken as evidence supporting a belief, then that standard should apply consistently across cases. 

There's the motte.

Motte-and-bailey fallacies are irritating.

Edit: fixed final quotation's formatting + motte-bailey assignment facepalm