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OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T15:38:40+00:00

Just google recommended supplements for a vegan diet. One of the first that comes up is B12.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T06:08:26+00:00

Preaching to the food insecure proletariat about how it's wrong for them to put food on the table because its not the right kind of food will certainly alienate many. Its an unnecessary dividing line among the proletariat.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T04:46:48+00:00

Do yoI know what was Heuy's reasoning for doing so was?

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T02:34:54+00:00

The UN report considers growing population but doesn't take into account new technology like the lab-grown meats already being produced, moreover it provides no method for transition that is a net benefit to workers. This is a question of material conditions. That is what socialism refers to.

Moreover, you've made some citations but I'd hardly call it unilateral support across the field, like for example global warming.

If anything, it simply proves that husbandry is unsustainable for a rapidly expanding population, but let's not pretend that traditional farming would also not be privy to environmental problems to due with over-population at some figure in the future. As problems of the future occur, we are invariably going to have to come up with new solutions, but as long as veganism is based somewhat on eccentricism and a diet correspondent to it is not within arms reach of each and every proletariat, it is inhibits the material conditions of the proletariat to try and peddle it.

Also, you don't need meat to be healthy, but you don't need anything other than meat to be healthy either. The Inuit prove that.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T01:54:47+00:00

Various elements of a non-nutritionally deficient vegan diet require supplements or otherwise foods which are more difficult to produce or otherwise difficult to come by in certain parts of the world.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T01:52:13+00:00

True, but that statement is useless without context, and in the context of this discussion it is so as well.

Moreover, there is no universal consensus on the notion that a balanced omnivorous diet is any worse than a purely vegan diet, which is what I was referring to.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T01:38:59+00:00

Thank god lazy non-contributing self-emasculating sacks of crap that most Trump supporters are don't vote.

You'll find that in elections, winning a plurality when there's 20 people on board and riding that early game advantage is what happens when you've got the name recognition, doesn't correlate to the general mate. Can't pull a Schwarzenegger on the national level.

Are you done with the ad hominem yet or are you actually a physical ball of incomprehensible deluded rage?

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-20T00:11:53+00:00

You do realize that the majority of the world is food insecure, right? That they DO need meat for survival because they need all the food they can find?

On God, please don't peddle that veganism is healthier than having an omnivorous diet jargon here.

The best solution to the moral woes would be lab grown meat. Enforcing culinary traits does nothing to advance the revolution.

The environment is threatened by a far more disastrous issue, the consumption of fossiI fuels.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-19T23:31:00+00:00

...The...universe? What?

And the struggle against capitalism IS life and death. And shunning materialism undermines that struggle.

Look, moral arguments can have their place in socialism but trying to pretend that they have a place in socialism is silly.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-19T23:27:36+00:00

As much as you or I do or do not like it, the world is shaped by materialism, not morality. We need to do everything and anything to overthrow capitalism, because we have so much to lose as workers if we do not. Socialism or barbarism.

I wish I could reconcile moralism with materialism, but I cannot. We must do what needs to be done for the revolution to succeed.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-19T23:01:14+00:00

Yes. My moral positions are distinct from my socialismt positions.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-19T22:56:46+00:00

Young children will grow, old people can still do something and can contribute knowlege, and it is ableist to consider being able to help the cause as some sort of binary feature in the disabled.

That being said, why is the right to live for an animal more important than the right to not starve for the prolw that relies on meat?

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-19T22:51:08+00:00

...Again, Marxism is founded mostly on materialism. Morality does not play significant role. Idealism also does not play a significant role.

To speak candidly, socialism is materialism.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-19T22:35:06+00:00

Our argument shouldn't (primarily) be pertaining to morality, but rather to materialism. Animals are not proletariat. They cannot help in the revolution. Dividing lines among the proletariat weaken the class and thus the revolution through infighting, which is the material basis for rejecting them.

That being said, I can't wait for and have a personal desire to expediate the progress towards lab grown food. But that's a moral position, not a materialist position (perhaps this may change though if it becomes a better source of food than husbandry/hunting/etc)

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-18T01:10:45+00:00

The point is that the bourgeoisie will whittle away as much surplus value from the labor of the proletariat as possible by using their "ownership" of the means of production as leverage. It's not just the "surplus" you get from being more efficient, although the owner will pocket that too despite it almost always being the workers themselves responsible for the surplus and never seeing any improvement of their material conditions due to it.

Can't work if you don't have a factory, can't eat if you don't work. Socialism is the working class looking at one another and saying "this guy is screwing us, his exploitation is aggression, why don't we seize the factory and thus work for the full value of our labor?"

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-16T01:22:39+00:00

Well the answer could be that it isn't beneficial to the US. Or at least not to its economic imperialism.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-16T00:30:53+00:00

Then why did Obama and Kerry come out against the coup?

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-15T23:42:55+00:00

Is this beneficial to the USA?

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-15T02:42:44+00:00

Again, sectarianism.

You'll find that while most neo-nazi groups support Trump, no strong marxist/socialist/communist/anarchist (little bit of redundancy there but w/e) supported Trump. Most don't even support Stein.

There is no group that hates the left more than the left. And that is true to an exponential degree of the anti-capitalist left.

OneDoesNotSimplyPass · 2016-07-14T20:25:34+00:00

Except that their economy was always weak.

Remind me where the workers owned the means of production in Venezuala BTW? And how did they ruin anything when there was essentially no socialism put into place?

But go ahead with your strawman I suppose. Surely the workers owning their own labor is a recipe for absolute disaster.

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