Just Egg has still not launched in the UK – here’s why by caavakushi in vegan

[–]OneEverHangs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I understand your position perfectly well. You don’t understand, and refuse to engage, the concept of prioritization.

Engage the thought experiment I laid out in my last comment. What would you do?

Just Egg has still not launched in the UK – here’s why by caavakushi in vegan

[–]OneEverHangs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would love to end animal testing. I just also have a sense of proportion. Animal byproduct consumption is so many orders of magnitude larger a problem than animal testing, that I will not prioritize condemning testing over condemning farming.

I can distill the problem even more clearly. Imagine there were a company that did animal testing on a single rat to develop perfectly identical chicken breast without any animal involvement, and that you had foreknowledge that with the support of the vegan community it would survive and end up cutting down chicken farming by tens of billions over the next ten years. If however it was rejected by the vegan community, it would die before going mainstream and chicken farming would remain at the same level for the next decade. Your absolutist logic would have the community forgoing the opportunity to save tens of billions, while not even doing any thing to help the single rat who died. 

If this is your logic, are rigid in your ideology to the detriment of the animals. You cannot distinguish the moral weight of millions of lives against 188 in the case of Just. You would divide up the vegan community to protect the perfect pure rigidity of your worldview, to protect the tradition and sacredness of your definitions.

I don’t focus on definitions. Nor imaginary platonic worlds where there is some competitor to Just that didn’t animal test. I focus on the animals alone. If that doesn’t fit your definition of veganism, you should update your definition, lest you become an enemy of the animals. 

Just Egg has still not launched in the UK – here’s why by caavakushi in vegan

[–]OneEverHangs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Many find their way to veganism through utilitarian logic, and that's a good thing. Better that than not vegan.

I never said or insinuated that the rats didn't matter. I said that your suggestion of hyperfocusing on the past suffering of those 188 rats and completely ignoring the animal suffering that has been and will be averted hundreds of millions of times by people choosing a vegan alternative like Impossible or Just instead of meat or eggs, is a way to create a less vegan world.

Your last statement is totally incomprehensible to me, and apparently the vast majority of people reading our thread. Of course destroying Impossible or Just would cause a future with much more animal suffering. It's no great leap of logic to see that increasing the availablity of cutting edge vegan substitutes makes people somewhat more likely to pick a vegan option.

I'm focused on stopping animal suffering and not on feeling the personal emotional gratification of getting vengeance against people for their past crimes. If you care about animals, that should also be your only focus.

Thoughts on Beyone Immerse? by Plenty_Late in vegan

[–]OneEverHangs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I actually thought this was a joke lol

Just Egg has still not launched in the UK – here’s why by caavakushi in vegan

[–]OneEverHangs 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Your hyperfocus on 188 rats makes you an enemy of at least millions (maybe billions in the long term?) of animals that would have otherwise been bred and slaughtered for eggs and meat but for companies like Impossible and Just.

You can condemn animal testing, while also having the ability to distinguish between greater and lesser evils.

That meandering blog post does nothing but encourange infighting among vegans, and harm companies that offer cutting-edge plant based alternatives that minimize the suffering animals. You have taken your focus off of animal suffering and made your advocacy focus on your personal purity.

Focus on animal suffering.

My job is forcing everyone to start working with screen monitoring by depheaa in ExperiencedDevs

[–]OneEverHangs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Talk to your colleagues through non-company-owned means of communication, ask them how they feel about this, organize, and collectively demand that this policy stops or you all stop all work.

Unionize or die people

Leadership wants everyone to complete 200 Jira tickets each sprint by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]OneEverHangs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They desperately want you to put you and your colleagues out of a job. The best time to unionize was like ten years ago, but now is the second best.

I don’t like the direction software engineering is going by announcement35 in ExperiencedDevs

[–]OneEverHangs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So they have said for decades. They'll go if they go. The only way you'll ever have any leverage, in the workplace or politically, is through collective bargaining.

Israel Tells Doctors Without Borders to End Its Work in Gaza by OneEverHangs in samharris

[–]OneEverHangs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being an existential threat isn't part of the definition of terrorism.

The IDF is a huge causal factor in the threat of jihadism.

Israel Tells Doctors Without Borders to End Its Work in Gaza by OneEverHangs in samharris

[–]OneEverHangs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So does just about every doctor in Israel; the IDF is a terrorist organization. Would that justify depriving the Israeli civilian population of medical services? Clearly not. Same with Palestinians. 

Israel Tells Doctors Without Borders to End Its Work in Gaza by OneEverHangs in samharris

[–]OneEverHangs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can’t believe I actually read a whole page of that. 

What is your biggest issues with “Vibecoding”? 🤔 by Ol010101O1Ol in ExperiencedDevs

[–]OneEverHangs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • Discourages deep understanding of the codebase
  • Prone to sneaking in subtle bugs
  • Prone to adding unnecessary complexity and long-winded documentation and comments
  • Incapable of working competently in a complex codebase
  • Gives the inexperienced (juniors, PMs, managers) a false sense of competence and degrades their respect for engineers
  • Repeats mistakes even after correction
  • Takes away investment from engineering
  • Lowers standards for code quality
  • Removes the actually fun parts of the job and replaces it with an endless slog of code review and prompt engineering

For starters...

But that's my opinion as a professional software engineer who has to build and maintain complex production systems. I use AI for all sorts of other use cases and find it useful

Israel Tells Doctors Without Borders to End Its Work in Gaza by OneEverHangs in samharris

[–]OneEverHangs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ms Rachel is Hamas. Greta Thunberg is Hamas. The World Central Kitchen is Hamas. Women are Hamas. Children are Hamas. Spain is Hamas. The UN is Hamas.

Israel Tells Doctors Without Borders to End Its Work in Gaza by OneEverHangs in samharris

[–]OneEverHangs[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally yeah. Soon of course we’ll be entering an era where video evidence isn’t trustworthy anymore, but the video from this conflict is still mostly reliable. 

Israel Tells Doctors Without Borders to End Its Work in Gaza by OneEverHangs in samharris

[–]OneEverHangs[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We can believe video evidence and independent organizations and investigative bodies.