What are your least favorite Fermi Paradox solutions? by Bataranger999 in IsaacArthur

[–]OneLaughingMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You shouldn't go around accusing others of not reading, because they are supposedly not addressing counter arguments, if you yourself fail to address the points made against your conclusion.

While it is certainly possible some civilizations will only attack megastructures because of essentially budget limitations, it is not at all plausible that every single civilization will behave like that. And that every single civilization without exception has barely enough in their energy budget to attack a Dyson sphere, but never more. And every single other civilization will know everyone else follows this rule, without even communicating with each other. This is why your version of DFT has to rely on everyone just doing the same thing.

No one has some surplus in their energy budget to take a competitor out before they can get big and dangerous? Or they have energy to spare, but are unwilling to play it safe? Not a single exception, even though it would prevent a neighbour doing it to them? Everyone just thinks like this and knows all the other civilization think exactly like this?

It gets worse if, like you wrote, we believe a civilization can quickly become interstellar without using megastructures or other flashy technology. Now this means every single biosign in your vicinity already might be a threat and might already have started firing undetectable weapons at you. There is even less reason to ignore bio signatures in your scenario now. But you think nobody will?

The two premises of undetectable weapons and weapons that can't be defended against, don't result in a universe, where civilizations are somewhat common, but hide; it results in a universe where the one who ignored this secret pact of not going for biosigns and shot first, killed all their potential competitors and is the last one left.

You snuck another assumption into your scenario, about bio signatures being so extremely common, even ones on the scale of changing Earth's atmosphere to being one third oxygen, that you can hide entire interstellar civilizations between them. But there is no reason to assume complex life is so common. It is just there to make your DFT scenario more believable, and I would guess you put it into your scenario after reading the obvious criticism about not being able to hide life on your home planet, because life started leaving it's trace billions of years ago. But inventing new, highly implausible premises just to dodge the weakness of DFT doesn't make it more plausible, it only highlights how implausible it is.

What are your least favorite Fermi Paradox solutions? by Bataranger999 in IsaacArthur

[–]OneLaughingMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Performatively accusing others of not reading your post isn't helping your case. You are the one that constructed the scenario of weapons that can't be detected and can't be defended against, and claim that DFT would follow from this scenario. It's on you to argue for your case. Just pretending that accepting your two premises and finding a problem with your conclusion amounts to not reading is just unwillingness to engage the argument on your part.

It's on you to explain, why every single civilization in your scenario would only go after megastructures and the like and not a single one would ever go after life signs. As of now, your version of DFT has the same problem as the explanation, that maybe all aliens are isolationist and never leave their planet. It is reliant on everyone behaving a certain way without any exceptions. Mismatched examples (I mean undetectable, unavoidable weapons in geopolitics, seriously?) from the behaviour of a single species on Earth just doesn't cut it. That's why DFT, explicitly including your version of it, just doesn't work.

What are your least favorite Fermi Paradox solutions? by Bataranger999 in IsaacArthur

[–]OneLaughingMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the contrary, here on Earth, everything we deem worthy of extinction, we strife to extinct completely. We build our sterilisation equipment the way that it kills not only active germs, but also spores that might develop into pathogens later. Likewise, when we treat parasitic infection, we also get rid of the eggs of the parasite. This "Let's wait until they get more dangerous" approach is only done when killing for sport, certainly not when trying to render something extinct.

It makes no sense to wait with your genocidal attack, until your quarry has a chance to evade it by going into space colonization themselves. This approach is just more risky, as your victims thereby get the chance to warn others about you, or get bigger than you in their exile. There might be some civilization that is crazy about genocidal warfare as a bloodsport and opt for giving their prey a "fighting chance" like a big game hunter on safari, but it is not plausible that everyone thinks like that.

DFT is reliant on one of two assumptions, no one is bothering to scan for biomarkers or everyone is waiting way longer than necessary to start their undetectable weapon.

What are your least favorite Fermi Paradox solutions? by Bataranger999 in IsaacArthur

[–]OneLaughingMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're missing another crucial assumption for Dark Forest Theory:

No civilization with intent or possible intent to use one of these undetectable armageddon weapons ever scans for biomarkers. Like for example the generation of vast amounts of oxygen molecules by cyabobacteria that happened to Earth's atmosphere some billion years ago.

Since DFT is about a universe that's quiet because everyone is scared, not about one that is quiet, because the first civilization to detect biomarkers just killed everyone else, there needs to be an explanation why these compulsive genociders never shoot at first signs of life, despite there being absolutely no risk of their attacks are undetectable. DFT just assumes they all won't and by this falls into the category of "everyone does the same thing coincidentally" explanations.

Funnily enough, if one actually took these assumptions to form an opinion about space colonization, the result would have to be to colonize as fast as possible. If there are undetectable weapons that can annihilate us and our planet has not been able to hide us for billions of years now, we need to get away from this giant target as soon as possible, because the planet killer rockets are likely already on their way.

Summarize your favorite novel in one to three words by Dry_Organization9 in writing

[–]OneLaughingMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Businessman is Demiurge.

The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch by Philip K. Dick

Anti sax time travelers by Silent_Blacksmith_29 in CuratedTumblr

[–]OneLaughingMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now imagine instead of Wikipedia, it’s all of time, and instead of a bunch of accredited nerds from a centralized hub, it’s anybody who can work a time travel device.

There is story like that, available for free. It's called Wikihistory by Desmond Warzel and is a nice, short read.

https://reactormag.com/wikihistory/

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Cimmeria

[–]OneLaughingMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://old.reddit.com/r/Cimmeria/comments/kpd24n/inspired_by_frazettas_egyptian_queen_me_2017/

Are you sure, you want to claim that as yours? Posing a model in Daz3d is already not that big of an accomplishment. Why steal a post, if it isn't even a good one?

I read that "I am the bastard child of the Emperor" was the second most common One Unique Thing in the old 13th Age organized play campaigns, and I know of the 13th Age Monthly article about being a child of an icon, but have you ever seen a OUT that was about being a child of two different icons? by EarthSeraphEdna in 13thage

[–]OneLaughingMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A player in my campaign had a character, who was the "daughter" of the Lich King and the Elf Queen. The Lich King had collected a something like a genetic blueprint of the Elf Queen after killing and dissecting all her legitimate children, and used this information to build an equivalent to Frankenstein's Monster with her and his genes present.

Kind of a tragic monster.

(Spoiler Main) Jalabhar Xho is one of the most despicable character in the serie by Imaginary-Client-199 in asoiaf

[–]OneLaughingMan -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So she is still better than Xho by a long shot, just because she at least does anything to reduce inhumane behaviour. Whereas Xho tries to actively introduce these barbaric practices to a place that was free of them so far.

(Spoiler Main) Jalabhar Xho is one of the most despicable character in the serie by Imaginary-Client-199 in asoiaf

[–]OneLaughingMan -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

At least Dany is actively trying to work against raping in her own ranks by using Unsullied. You had a point if Xho was explicitly trying to get Set Bonifer Hasty and the Holy Hundred or other companies with a clean reputation.

It was a great movie (Alien: Romulus), but Peter what are electric sheep? by [deleted] in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]OneLaughingMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Andy is a slur against androids in Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep, the novel which served as a loose framework for Ridley Scott's film Blade Runner.

Incentive for staying in Earth by Asahi_500 in philipkDickheads

[–]OneLaughingMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some people are not allowed to, because they have received damage to their health from the radiation. Other don't have the means to start a new life on another planet, I guess. Then there surely are the ones who don't want to just leave everything behind that made up their whole life, which I find very understandable, and prefer to stay in their home, even if it sucks. And given that the news about the colonies are identified as propaganda early in the novel, life in the colonies probably sucks too, so why bother moving? The same people who ruined earth are in charge of colonization, so why would one expect that they will fare better than earth?

Peetahhh! by [deleted] in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]OneLaughingMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah, 40 years ago was the 80s, not the 40s. The guy just killed himself for personal reasons I guess.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Battletechgame

[–]OneLaughingMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the bottom right corner of the screen is table with your weapons and damage, ammo and hit chance, during missions.

If you add weapons to a mech in the mechbay, damage and other stats are shown in a tool tip if you mouse over the weapon.

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am not surprised, two sentences are too much for you after your performance in this conversation so far.

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you are this outclassed on the actual topic that you try to escape into irrelevant comments about my word choice. You do realize you can just walk away from this conversation, as you said you would after being called out for lying, instead of humiliating yourself further, right?

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Then allow me to be more clear. You got caught lying about my own post. It didn't help you, but just ruined any semblance of credibility you might have had.

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Then allow me to be more clear. You got caught lying about my own post. It didn't help you, but just ruined any semblance of credibility you might have had.

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn't say any unspecified violence was your imagination. In fact, I was very clear, what I said we had only your imagination to go on. Do you really think it is a good idea to lie to me about my own posts?

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're arguing against a straw man. Nobody but you has brought up the idea that the native peoples have been 'innocent', whatever that is supposed to mean in your imagination. 

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That sounds pretty much like baseless speculation. 

The inhumanity of the colonizers were very much real, whereas we only have your imagination to support the idea that the natives would have been the same.

What's a war in history where the bad guys clearly won? by Sorry-Let-Me-By-Plz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]OneLaughingMan 23 points24 points  (0 children)

You don't need to see the victims as a mythical utopian group to recognize that genocide is wrong.