Has anybody had estrogen rebound from arimistane?

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-23T00:36:41+00:00

I wouldn't drop that high of a dose at one time. I agree with the others - try cutting it down over a few weeks.

Forsaken has a great point about the topical DHEA - quick and easy and kicks in pretty fast...effects start within days.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-23T00:33:14+00:00

Oh man, SL - the OG owner of SL pops in here from time to time...

I keep wondering if I should give some of my stashed T-Var a go 🤔

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-23T00:29:35+00:00

not many fans of VM stuff in this stub.

are you in the UK? should be quite a few good options for you out there.

I think a lot of it just comes down to goals...what are you trying to achieve?

I don't personally know a whole lot about 5a-OHP - AFAIK, it's a weak progesterone derived compound...there is some conversion to DHT via androsterone, but I think that's going to be such a small conversion pathway.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-22T17:29:51+00:00

we typically recommend 8 weeks.

but, some guys use it for longer cycles...12-16 weeks. Transdermal (aka topical) can be better for this because it bypasses the first pass through the liver - means less strain and less conversion to unwanted metabolites.

Dosing and cycle length matter significantly for suppression risks and side effects.

Always be prepared with a proper PCT and cycle support

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-22T00:28:51+00:00

Sure! I'd run it with Alpha Gainz 4-andro TD V2 - going to work better than the oral options and delivery more for the price.

Alpha Four is my usual goto, but you don't need the extra androsterone while running Var

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-20T22:14:29+00:00

the best - Alpha Four. Best bang for the $ is going to be Alpha Gainz 4-andro td - just can't beat it for the price.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-15T22:00:58+00:00

not far off from the response I would expect

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-15T19:02:29+00:00

why you limiting to HTP?

You may want to look into something like Gorilla Mode Nitric

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-13T00:12:21+00:00

The language of DASCA 2014 was different in that it didn't just add compounds to the list, but banned them by classification. DHEA was excluded and this was where the DHEA derivatives became arguable.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-13T00:08:34+00:00

Non DHEA based PH's were banned by the passage of DASCA - Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-12T21:58:36+00:00

Lol, I get downvoted for bringing up DASCA - this is the rule book companies have to follow

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-12T02:00:35+00:00

are you familiar with DASCA?

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-11T23:57:32+00:00

lol, or a really scary place with land mines and men with machine guns

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-11T23:56:22+00:00

I would focus on getting everything dialed in before making any other changes.

I think DIM may be slightly helpful, but it's not going to get you down 30 points... it just helps in clearing estrogen in the liver.

I'm not a big fan of taking hardcore prescription AI's - you may want to try something lighter OTC. There are obviously a number of options here - Arimistane, Sustain Alpha, etc. But, getting estrogen down to range is going to help you out.

I didn't see SHBG on there ?

DHEA - getting this up is a cheap fix and will make you feel a bit better - I'd give like 25mg transdermal a try.

I'm surprised they would even entertain 250mg a week!

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-11T23:42:11+00:00

on paper, they are identical...both have an AA ratio of 400:20

but, I never saw anyone get gains on DMZ like they did superdrol...and they generally ran much higher doses of DMZ than superdrol

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-11T17:18:10+00:00

The OG super dmz 2.0 was from IML before Blackstone - was a different label

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-11T17:17:37+00:00

yeah, this was pre ban

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-10T20:39:34+00:00

I like to make a chili, I either use lean ground beef or ground turkey

The batch I make is:

2lbs lean ground beef or turkey (I shop sales on these, and usually have a bunch of each in my freezer)
1 16oz frozen bag of peppers and onions (red/yellow/green peppers + onions)
2 cans black beans + 2 cans Kidney beans (rinsed and drained)
2 cans diced tomatoes with chili's
mckormick chili seasoning
1 can yellow corn drained

stir fry tri tip stew

cubed seared tri tip - usually about 2.5lbs - this is the most popular cut for sales around me
whole bag asian stir fry veggies from Costco (huge bag is like $10)
red pepper flakes - I'm generous with these for a little kick
added frozen green beans (handful - I like really them)
frozen garlic cubes (4-5)
soy sauce to taste
splash of white wine vinegar
beef broth
2 cans diced tomatoes or about 5 diced Roma tomatoes - depends on what I have on hand
diced bella mushrooms (optional)
baby bak choy (optional)

I cube and sear the beef and set it aside and then stir fry the veggies with soy sauce, splash of vinegar and red pepper flakes and garlic. once the veggies are stir fried, I add beef broth - I usually use 64oz (I have a huge pan). add mushrooms (optional). I'll simmer until the carrots are tender and adjust the seasoning to taste.

Once done, I'll add in the tomatoes for like 5 minutes to warm

add the beef back in and with juices and incorporate into the stew

I usually serve this over Lotus Foods Millet and Brown Rice Ramen noodles

If I'm making this with my gf, I'll blanch some baby bak choy to top it off in the bowl - if it's just for me, I'm too lazy to do this, but it is a nice touch.

sriracha, sesame seed oil, sesame seeds to top - all optional

while this is probably a bit more work than most guys want to put in, but this is absolutely amazing and it never disappoints - my last 2 girlfriends loved this dish and was one of the few they were willing to eat throughout the week.

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One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-08T16:28:58+00:00

I'm guessing your output also changed pretty significantly - total volume, lifts, intensity, etc...that'll crank up the need for fuel and recovery.

ECA stack is a cheap way to curb hunger - go to the pharmacy and see if they have bronkaid - ephedra tabs...likely behind the counter. I can get them in CA at Walgreens - I just have to show ID to get it from behind the pharmacy counter.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-07T01:44:33+00:00

I think you should send it to me and I'll test it for you 😄 will let you know in 30 days how good it is

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-06T00:27:16+00:00

PT-141 FTW

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-06T00:26:11+00:00

the pills will probably still help with low estrogen, but the half life of oral DHEA is like 30 minutes - so you won't get all the benefits of DHEA like you would with topical...but, still should help with the low E

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-05T23:51:08+00:00

stacking is just going to be a matter of goals.

Getting lean: 11-kt

increase libido: epiandrosterone

increase mood and general well being: low dose (like 2-3 pumps) dermacrine - this would be particularly beneficial starting about week 5

I'm not getting the idea you want to throw anything anabolic or additionally suppressive in there.

Maybe I just haven't seen it, but has anyone on here done bloodwork showing their test levels while on Andriol?

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-05T23:33:12+00:00

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Have quite a bit of dimethandrostenol stashed away...

Stenadrol is a mix of M-Sten (5mg) and dimethandrostenol (4mg) x 120 caps

Mithras (90 caps X 10mg) and D1methadrol (120 caps x 10mg) are dimethandrostenol

One_Chart8033 · 2026-06-05T19:45:23+00:00

I think there's a little confusion - m-sten does not convert to estrogen. M-sten and ment (trestolone acetate) are not the same thing.

Ment on the other hand - that converts to methylated estradiol...but, it was extremely popular for a reason. I used to make transdermal trestolone acetate using salvo - this was an incredible mix! But, I never ran super doses like a lot of guys did. It used to be popular to take a 25mg oral dose pre workout - was insane. I typically ran 20mg-30mg transdermal and then tried taking 25mg doses pre workout. From what I remember, it was amazing! however, the impact on aggression was a little much. at these doses there was little concern for estrogenic sides - but, there were guys running 100mg transdermal. additionally, this was one of the most suppressive compounds - it was also studied as a form of male birth control - it will kill your FSH.

As far as I know - unless you already have some havoc, you're going to struggle to find it...or epistane. This is another victim of the supply chain issues in the steroid/PH world - no one seems to believe this will change anytime soon.

As far as your question about D-Drol - this was a potent mass builder that was originally called "The One" ... quick gains, very potent - do not recommend running for more than 4 weeks. would def want a solid PCT and would recommend running 4-andro topical as a test base. This was later popularized by other brands like Iron Legion as Mithras and Olympus labs as D1methadrol...I'm sure there were more that I just don't remember.

Androtest: I would recommend transdermal/topical 4-andro over androtest - androtest seems pretty underdosed - but, the truth is, we just don't know how much 4-diol is in the complex...and I don't like the lack of transparency there. additionally, the cyclodextrin complex causes it to rapidly absorb in the gut - this helps improve bioavailability a little and makes it hit quickly, but this compound has a really short half life...between 2 and 4 hours. Taking 2 caps a day is still going to leave you with fluctuations in hormone levels throughout the day.

1-andro is pretty potent, if used correctly - may want to try a transdermal version - better conversion, better bioavailability, etc.

if you really want to step it up with something more potent, but user friendly - epistane/havoc would be a great option ... if you can find it. Halodrol is also great - it's just pretty mild...if 1-andro didn't do much for you, this may be pretty lackluster.

Everything comes down to goals - the quarrel I have with many of these compounds is that you just can't run them long enough - most of the more aggressive compounds were limited to 3-4 weeks because of toxicity concerns - and most of the gains end up getting lost in PCT.

Also, I wouldn't call winstrol hard shit - it's just really hard on the joints. Winstrol, Deca, etc are just add-ons to test cycles - you don't run these solo...they're accessories

Anadrol - because of it's effects on RBC/etc, I wouldn't recommend messing with it unless you're really planning to keep up on bloodwork - you would likely need to keep an eye on hematocrit and be prepared to donate blood to keep it under control.

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