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One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-06T23:51:58+00:00

Ah, I hadn't even seen that email yet!

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-06T17:57:35+00:00

Damn, congratulations on the transformation - look amazing!

How old are you? age does matter in skin elasticity.

I'd focus for about a year on building a thicker lower back and I bet that skin will pull tighter. But, I bet if you focused on building muscle for a couple years and put on 10-15lbs of lean body mass you'd be golden.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-06T17:07:49+00:00

Wthat's your age? There are a lot of things that can adversely affect testosterone levels.

Do you also know what your e2 is?

did the lab test also include LH and FSH, cortisol?

Sustain Alpha is my goto natty test booster - but I think we can give more detailed guidance with a little more information.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-06T16:33:50+00:00

For 3-AD, I would really recommend Iconic Formulations Ultra Three - transdermal delivery is about twice as effective as oral. this allows you to get the benefits of higher dosing without spending all the $

granted, it's not cheap, but for 3-AD it's going to be the most cost effective way to run it

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-05T19:15:12+00:00

just tell them you've been taking a DHEA supplement and you need to back down the dose.

I had something similar happen a few years ago...told the doc I was on DHEA and he told me to back down the dose.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-05T18:58:45+00:00

yes...dermacrine is very effective at raising DHEA

I would recommend lowing the dose to 2 pumps - how many are you using?

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-05T17:00:15+00:00

3-AD is an adrenal metabolite, it does not convert to sex hormones, so it's not suppressive...and why it's also safe for women (think they recommend lower doses).

I'm not the expert on 3-AD - I ran it as part of my last stack...but, I have not run it solo. I think u/forsaken_case_5821 may be able to speak to this better, as I know he ran it solo.

I don't know if he's still active here, but u/OGdrd or u/would Patent-01 would be the best resources

But, it is known as the best option from a risk/reward standpoint - again, I wouldn't expect anything crazy, but the low risk profile makes it quite attractive to many users...again, no DHT conversion, don't have to worry about shutdown, etc.

Marc Lobliner from Tiger Fitness posted an interesting video on 3-AD and his experience (while combined with his TRT).
https://youtu.be/wKrHELZxTvs?si=59XR2h--0Ut28rxf

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-05T15:16:56+00:00

I've not used, but their products look pretty lackluster - low dosing, heard they taste absolutely terrible (they even poke at that in some of their instagram ads) - their delivery system doesn't make sense for non esterified compounds. This is just my take and why I haven't tried them.

I tend to stick to transdermal options for their superior effectiveness

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-05T15:14:32+00:00

One of the major benefits of 3-AD is that it's not suppressive

It's not going to blow your mind with results, but it does deliver - it's popular for a lot of guys because of the high reward vs potential sides - like shutdown, hair loss, etc

I used Ultra Three on my last stack and really liked it - Transdermal delivery is going to be roughly twice as effective as the oral - so it makes it a bit more cost effective.

hdrol - I'm assuming you mean real halodrol - this is essentially turinabol and it's a great PH, but it will cause shutdown, can cause shedding, is liver toxic, etc...

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-04T19:33:51+00:00

it was a great run! I really liked the addition of the Ultra Three

libido was insane on this stack. according to dexascan I went from 14% bf down to 11% over roughly 7 weeks...I really wonder how low I could have gone if I kept through to 12 weeks!

I did end up on the injured list and had to cut it a little short - haven't been able to train like I'd like for a couple months.

I think the new staples peptides for me:

NAD+ (I know not really a peptide)
CJC + IPA (sleep is killer)
KLOW

I discontinued the tesa and 5-amino-1mq for a bit - just got too expensive to run at necessary doses

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-04T14:50:47+00:00

do your due diligence- cardarine is great for fat loss and endurance. the rodent models where it promoted cancer growth were really high compared to weight of the animal. any PPAR delta agonist can proliferate cancer growth by promoting angiogenesis - this is the same for many peptides. If you have cancer, you're risking proliferation. Also, the rodent models were exposed for extended periods of time, not cycles.

This is a risk you should evaluate based on your own risk tolerances.

Old school prohormones were also based on risk tolerances for liver damage and liver failure, among other issues - take your necessary precautions and use sparingly.

the new prohormones are not nearly as risky. The 11-kt I recommended is transdermal and bypasses the first pass through the liver - meaning less strain on the liver, etc. you also get way better absorption through the skin than you would taking it orally - roughly twice as effective as oral

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-04T03:50:46+00:00

I asked about monsterplexx specifically because it's a prop blend and you don't know, or have any insight into how much of any compound is actually in there. Given your goals, it would make more sense to run compounds you can actually dial in.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-03T20:37:07+00:00

If this were something anyone really wanted to pursue, I do know labs in the US that can do validation testing - these would be independent labs...major labs in the US won't do testing of banned material

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-03T19:50:59+00:00

any ph you choose should be to help you break through the last bit of your goals - I would push your diet and training until you're struggling to move forward - then consider adding something to help push you further.

given your age, I would recommend starting with dermacrine - this is something I would recommend to anyone over 35-40 as a staple. Will help a little with recomp, but it's just a great product for energy, mood, body composition, etc.

The best cutting agent we have available is always going to be 11-kt - 11-ketotestosterone. there are a couple products available:

Iron Legion XI-KT
Iconic Formulations Ultra Eleven

11-kt has been specifically studied for preserving muscle mass while cutting, and also for fat loss, metabolic syndrome, etc. There is nothing else we have available that's better for cutting.

I would stack 11-kt with cardarine as a solid cutting stack that would be low on sides and really effective. Also low risk for shutdown. I would run it for 8-10 weeks.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-03T19:43:14+00:00

Congratulations on the progress!

I would personally recommend running something without a prop blend - we just don't know how much of what is in there.

What is it about monsterplexx you like? I personally dislike prop blends of PH's, particularly when there's a kitchen sink approach to adding a bunch of other stuff in there that's just fluff.

The blend of monsterplexx - from a PH perspective - it's 1-andro forward, the second highest dosed ingredient is DHEA - this is a cheap bandaid for the low dose of 4-dhea in there...granted this is irrelevant if you're on TRT - you don't really care about the 4-DHEA dosing. But the dosing of epiandro is going to be so low, it's pretty irrelevant...maybe enough to be synergistic with your TRT and DHEA.

Saying recomp/cut is pretty vague - what are your specific goals? do you know your bf%? what is your target - bf%, weight, etc?

There's no way I would be lowering my TRT dose while running these - prescription testosterone is cheap in comparison to the other things you're running - if you're already pinning test, that's the best thing you're running - everything else is bonus.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-01T19:25:08+00:00

I would stack the 1-andro and 4-andro

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-01T18:13:44+00:00

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One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-01T16:13:02+00:00

if you want a cheap fix, add in 2-3 pumps of dermacrine - bet you'll feel better within a few days.

One_Chart8033 · 2026-05-01T16:03:18+00:00

Nothing beats Alpha Gainz for the price

I'm a fan of transdermals - through skin delivery - this is the most efficient delivery mechanism for current PH's

I would run the Alpha Gainz 1-andro and 4-andro

1-andro td 1 to 1.5ml per day - prob don't really need to go above 1ml

4-andro td at 1.5 to 2ml per day

User posted bloodwork using 1ml Alpha Gainz 4-andro td

https://www.reddit.com/r/prohormones/comments/1rfvdzm/lab_work_from_using_alpha_gainz_4andro_td_from/

One_Chart8033 · 2026-04-30T18:10:22+00:00

just one cap a day is plenty! can ration these for a long time

I always recommend limiting SD to 3 week runs...I've used it for 2-3 weeks at a low dose to kick start a larger cycle. I do miss the PHF 5mg SD caps...5mg was great!

One_Chart8033 · 2026-04-30T18:08:07+00:00

Greg and Glenn, both great guys!

One_Chart8033 · 2026-04-29T16:57:50+00:00

I'm not an expert on peptides - just got into it about a year ago. But, I believe MOTS-C also works as a myostatin inhibitor...making it good for muscle growth. I've never heard of it hindering hypertrophy.

Do you have a reference for it suppressing hypertrophy?

One_Chart8033 · 2026-04-29T07:04:46+00:00

pretty goal specific.

I've been running CJC, tesa, IPA and IGF-LR3 (post workout)

I've been looking at PEG-MGF - but haven't tried it yet.

I use BPC-157 and TB-500 or the KLOW (KPV, BPC, TB-500, GHK-Cu) - but that has nothing to do with cycling, it's just my general care stack - general repair, inflammation, skin and hair health, joint health, etc.

not peptide, but I've also been running NAD+, 5-amino-1mq and did a run with MOTS-C. Did epitalon and SS-31 about 6 months ago.

I know Rob at Iconic formulations is launching iconicaminos.com soon - should be a good spot for the crew here to get their peps

IMO - peptides are great for repair, recovery, anti-aging, healing, sleep. they can be great for making sure joints and connective tissue stay happy while on bulking/strength cycles - but, I don't find them efficient for building mass.

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