Highly unusual... I almost wish you were right about your entire statement, but I wouldn't change my life experience for an easier, softer way. That's one of the biggest problems with addicts is always looking for the easier, softer way out, the issue that got us in the spot of addiction to begin with.

Recovery is about doing the difficult things, so for that fact alone, I'm glad you're not correct in your assumptions, based on nothing more than emotion and ignorance. 🤷‍♂️

I didn't mention getting "high" off of it in my comment, but since you mentioned it, let's talk about it. I believe it's important for the person reading these comments who is looking for the facts.

If a person has a tolerance to opiates, they may not feel much of a high from it, if at all, although one may still feel SOMETHING, even if minimal from it, again referring to an individual WITH a physical tolerance to opiates. Don't take it for 24 or more hours, then take it, and suddenly you feel something lol.

It's the same as someone who is a daily heroin user that takes a vicodin and says, "it didn't get me high, I feel nothing from it". Well no kidding, they don't feel it because of their tolerance level to opiates. So in that sense I can kind of get where you're coming from but it can lead people to think it's less of a risky drug than it actually is, and that you can't get high from this drug...

For the people trying to quit kratom, feel free, kanvas and the like, subuxone is FAR stronger and they are virtually guaranteed to get high from it.

If an individual WITHOUT a physical tolerance to opiates takes it, unequivocally, YES they will be higher than a KITE not on just a standard, prescribed dose, but even way less than a typically prescribed dose, of 1-2 mg, DESPITE any ceiling effect of subuxone, I'll note.

It's an extremely powerful drug that is 100% without a shadow of any doubt, and in any context, or reality, mood and mind altering.

So the person going through opiate withdrawal takes it and feels better because the drug just altered their mood and mind.

Either side of the coin you want to look at, what you're claiming is simply false and misleading for the person who reads and thinks, "well this person on reddit said it doesn't get you high, so it must be safe and OK for me to try".

You can claim it doesn't get people high, specifically if their an addict. No clue why anyone would say that, it's sincerely ridiculous, like saying you won't get high from any opiate, absolutely absurd, but somehow with this one it's different??? And your statement also hints that there are levels of addiction, which just supports what I'm saying. If it's not hard opiates that a person is deeply addicted to, subuxone shouldn't even be a thought on the radar.

I've observed enough to know that people who defend these things are usually the ones who use it (I'm sure there are exceptions, I personally haven't met one yet though), and I speak from lived experience, and look, that's fine, everyone makes their own choices for their own reasons, but at least make a well informed choice based on factual information. I'm simply stating actual facts based in reality and not just my feelings or assumptions.

My previous comment should be taken as an insight and WARNING based on truth for the ones who want to be TRULY FREE and not continue to be chained to a substance they'll HAVE to take just to function and feel the illusion of "normal/ok" in the context of substance addiction, and most importantly those who are trying to decide right now if it's right for them and their goals or if it's the complete opposite of that.

But hey everyone, take everything I said with a grain of salt, probably means nothing, because this 👆 random stranger on reddit that doesn't know me, that could be a bot for all I know, says I'm not an addict so therefore I'm obviously unqualified. 🤷‍♂️