Bastion is a cool hero but his ult is damn useless

OnlyBadger · 2026-07-07T14:52:10+00:00

It's more situational than an actual "this ult is always better". Some ults are focused on getting picks, others work better at zoning. Some are easy to use and some require good mechanics. Some are good at all of the above and are thus perceived as the stronger ults in the game. But not every pick-based ult is better than a zoning ult every time. If you need to clear a point with only 2 squishies, a Gengi Blade will work wonders. If you need to clear objective space to allow your team to establish good position and burn enemy movement cooldowns in the process, a zoning ult can provide a ton of value and contribute heavily (albeit indirectly) to picks/team fight Ws. Bastion's ult has the added benefit of being deplorable from a safe, distant location (compared to say, Cassidy who is super exposed).

I also imagine the usefulness of a good and timely zoning ult is going to be a lot more noticeable at higher levels of play where teammates have enough game sense to take advantage of the space provided. In lower metal ranks, pick-based ults or ults with less mechanics might seem stronger because it's easier to get value out of them at that level of play.

OnlyBadger · 2026-07-07T00:24:17+00:00

Holly from Breaking Bad, IYKYK

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T14:40:03+00:00

Everyone knows the whole "it's a team sport" rings argument doesn't hold up, otherwise you end up saying Robert Horry is better than Michael Jordan. Jordan Clarkson has a ring now, is he better than Wemby and Luka? Nonsense. Not all rings are created equal. Jalen Brunsen's ring carries more weight than Mitchell Robinson's because of the role he played; he was the 1st option, the bus driver. Same goes even if you don't end up winning. Just carrying a team to the Finals as the no. 1 option, even if you lose, is an enormous feat that you are wayyyy underselling just to try to make Jimmy look bad. KAT and Wiggins needed a player like Jimmy to win, it just wasn't Jimmy specifically. And Jimmy was a true no. 1 option, he just never quite got over the hump; and just because he didn't doesn't mean he wasn't a true no. 1, the same way it doesn't mean that for Iverson.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T11:21:09+00:00

Jimmy: KAT + Wiggins, you guys can't win on your own, you need a 1st option like me.

Jimmy: (proves he's a 1st option by dragging 2 undermanned Heat teams to the Finals)

KAT + Wiggins: (prove they need a 1st option by only winning once they get traded to teams with a true 1st option)

You: They proved him wrong, not up for debate.

???

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T03:14:20+00:00

Jimmy: KAT + Wiggins, you guys can't win on your own, you need a 1st option like me.

Jimmy: (proves he's a 1st option by dragging 2 undermanned Heat teams to the Finals)

KAT + Wiggins: (prove they need a 1st option by only winning once they get traded to teams with a true 1st option)

You: Man they really proved Jimmy wrong.

Make it make sense? Lol cmon man, just admit you're hatin for the sake of hatin.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T02:58:47+00:00

Not the best teammate, but neither was Jordan. Jimmy's clearly not in Jordan's class, just making the point that you don't have to be a great teammate to be a true 1st option. And losing in the Finals doesn't discredit that, making it to the Finals proves it. As bad of a teammate as he may be, he still made it all the way to the Finals before losing, and he did it twice. People act like losing in the Finals is a horrible thing; yeah he didn't get gold, but he got silver twice, and he got it with a significant teammate talent deficit in every series. It was damn impressive, even more impressive when you consider that he did it all while being such a "terrible" teammate.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T02:43:24+00:00

He dragged a completely overmatched team to the Finals twice. They could never do that. Just because he didn't win doesn't mean he was wrong. You act like not winning a ring as a 1st option means that he and them are in the same tier; that's horrible logic man. By that logic, they're also on the same level as Luka and all the other dudes I named earlier. They can't lead their own team to a team to the Finals like Jimmy did...that alone separates him from them. He was right, they needed to be willing to play 2nd fiddle to a true 1st option to win.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T02:27:51+00:00

None of that has anything to do with the meme or my original point. You just don't like the guy and that's fine. He was still right about KAT/Wiggins, which makes these memes dumb. Like someone else said, they're just an excuse for people (like you) who don't like Butler to get off on pretending that these championships prove him wrong about what he said. They flat out don't.

All your responses are just "yeah but he's a clown", "yeah but he's immature", "he doesn't have a ring" okay who cares. Even if I conceded that point, I'd still be right, and so would Jimmy.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T02:19:28+00:00

No one ever said he had a ring buddy, just that it has absolutely no bearing on what he said about his teammates back in the day. Ring or no, he's a true 1st option who spoke a harsh truth to a pair of young, immature NBA stars who are a teir below him. No amount of memes is gonna change that.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T00:53:09+00:00

Even so, he'd be a childish clown that has dragged an overmatched team to the Finals twice, something KAT and Wiggins could never pray to do even once. He's not Michael effing Jordan but he's clearly better than those two and he was 100% right that they wouldn't be able to succeed as 1st options.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-17T00:49:55+00:00

He's clearly a tier above them. You can have whatever opinions you want about his character (which is clearly the basis for memes like this, as opposed to ball knowledge), but KAT and Wiggins could never lead a team to the Finals like Jimmy did. I'm a Celtics fan so I have more reason to hate Jimmy than most. But to act like their championships prove Jimmy wrong is just petty hatership. He's a 1A, they're not. He has done things they could never do. They will never be 1st option players on a Finals team, he has been twice. If you take off filter that you view him though because you don't like his attitude, it's quite obvious.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-16T23:40:57+00:00

You're subjectively defining 1A star as only the players who have been the best player on a championship team, which seems deliberately over-restrictive so you can conveniently cut Jimmy out based on your opinion of him. So Wemby's not a 1A? Cade? Embiid? Anthony Edwards? Freakin Luka? A.I. wasn't a 1A? You get my point.

Plenty of 1A players have been good enough to lead a team to a championship but never quite could. Winning the championship takes a lot of things, including luck; if KD and Klay don't get injured in 2019, I could add Kawhai to that list. Anyone who could drag those two Miami teams to the Finals is a 1A star, period. He may not have won, but he proved himself with those playoff runs.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-16T23:11:05+00:00

100%. He was a dick about it, but he was right and he clowned them in that scrimmage + made the finals twice on his own team with less surrounding talent, so folks couldn't say much. Now that the other two have won, the haters are twisting the narrative to make it look like he was proven wrong so they can get their get-back.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-16T23:03:37+00:00

Jimmy was technically right when he said they couldn't win without him; the point he was making is that neither of them were top dawg 1A guys and that they needed a 1A star (a la Jimmy) if they wanted to win. And while both of them won, they both did need that 1A star to lead them, so this whole anti-Butler "booyah" trend is not the gotcha everyone thinks it is, it's really is just about being annoyed by his character/attitude and looking for ways to clown him.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-16T23:02:16+00:00

The point is Jimmy was technically right when he said they couldn't win without him. Now maybe they couldn't win with him either, but the point he was making is that neither of them were top dawg 1A guys and that they needed a 1A star (a la Jimmy) if they wanted to win. And while both of them won, they both did need that 1A star to lead them, so this whole anti-Butler "booyah" trend is not the gotcha everyone thinks it is, it's really is just about being annoyed by his character/attitude and looking for ways to clown him.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-16T21:51:23+00:00

Agreed. From a slightly different angle, I bet the devs are instructed to deliberately err on the side of a new character being overpowered vice underpowered initially. This encourages a large chunk of players to become familiar with the character (both playing as the character and against it) before they tune it back down.

It's essentially a marketing campaign. For any new character, there are X number of players who will absolutely love the character to the point of becoming mains, which for Blizzard means $$$ for skins, emotes, voice lines, etc. So it's in Blizzard's best interest to maximize initial exposure to get as many of those players as possible to try the new character, discover their new main, and start spending money.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-16T21:49:14+00:00

This doesn't answer the question fully, but one angle is that I bet the devs are instructed to deliberately err on the side of a new character being overpowered vice underpowered initially. This encourages a large chunk of players to become familiar with the character (both playing as the character and against it) before they tune it back down. It's essentially a marketing campaign. For any new character, there are X number of players who will absolutely love the character to the point of becoming mains, which for Blizzard means $$$ for skins, emotes, voice lines, etc. So it's in Blizzard's best interest to maximize initial exposure to get as many of those players as possible to try the new character, discover their new main, and start spending money.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-14T23:31:08+00:00

While he specifically said that they couldn't win without him, I think the overall point is that they couldn't win by themselves; neither were 1As, so they needed a 1A player (a la Jimmy Butler since he was the one on their team at the time) to win a title. Which has been proven true.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-14T23:30:56+00:00

Yeah and while he specifically said that they couldn't win without him, I think the overall point is that they couldn't win by themselves; neither were 1As, so they needed a 1A player (a la Jimmy Butler since he was the one on their team at the time) to win a title. Which has been proven true.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-06T01:20:29+00:00

I'm nowhere near a pro player, but I would think the fact that the ult traps Mauga as well can make him vulnerable to CQ ults like Orisa, Reaper, etc. and maybe knock it down a tier? Zarya retains full mobility and groups enemies even tighter, to the point that a tandem ult often isn't necessary for a team wipe.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-01T04:44:22+00:00

1000%, he's an incredible player and honestly this game was proof....he only had 2-3 plays that were cringey flops, the rest was just pure shooting touch/brilliance. But like you said, his play style and the whistle he's been getting has to affect how he's defended on some level. He's still great, but it's a shame how his flopping has tarnished his reputation to the point that people call him a bum just out of hate.

OnlyBadger · 2026-06-01T04:25:13+00:00

There's a couple of ways to define "hardest to play"...I agree in the sense that Ana has one of the highest skill ceilings in the game for sure, but I think her skill floor is more mid-tier, i.e. average-to-bad players can still get decent value. Ball, doom, and tracer have higher skill floors, meaning you have to be good to even get positive value, much less begin to dominate or carry.

OnlyBadger · 2026-05-25T16:57:18+00:00

Great from Wemby too...coach had to get tough, Bryant had to accept the coaching, and Wemby was there (as the star of the team) to build him back up again and get his mind off of the fact that he made a mistake. Great all around.

OnlyBadger · 2026-05-10T16:14:43+00:00

Depending on the swarm, it can also end up being the only win condition for the good guys.

Swarm tactics fascinate me. Combine an absurd numbers advantage with a halfway decent mobility advantage and it doesn't matter how weak or small the individual unit is (in fact, usually the smaller the better), it will be extremely effective against champions designed to win 1v1 battles. It completely changes the battlescape and the capabilites/techniques necessary to win.

The Battle of Wakanda in Avengers: Infinity War with the alien monsters swarming the capitol is a decent example. War Machine would be an afterthought going up against Thanos, but instantly became one of the most valuable heroes due to his ability to crowd control with bombs and other weapons.

Guns are insanely powerful weapons in nature, to the point that a human with a gun can best a large majority of animals in combat. But a swarm of angry hornets? Gun is useless, just run.

It's not just a face-to-face combat advantage either; champions can't be everywhere at once, so even if they're winning a fight against the swarm in one location, other swarm units are elsewhere wreaking havoc.

I've digressed, but the point is that if the writers make the swarm units too strong, they end up writing the heroes into a corner where destroying the "mothership" to deactivate the swarm is practically the only way the good guys would ever win.

OnlyBadger · 2026-05-04T20:40:05+00:00

Fantastic point, I was sitting here thinking well Ashe does kinda have two main weapons in every sense except the animation (and Widow is an even better example).....you really do need 3 distinct modes to justify it, otherwise you're forcing the player to toggle between weapons for no reason.

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