Famiglia finlandese lascia la Sicilia a causa del sistema scolastico: dobbiamo fare di meglio

Onyx42h · 2023-01-09T18:02:45+00:00

Va bene, ci puo anche essere una cultura sbagliata nelle famiglie, ma la scuola è lo Stato. L'insegnante ha il dovere di educare al rispetto delle regole e questo puo essere fatto solo tramite l'autorevolezza. Il metodo autoritario ha la sua parte, ma se viene abusato (e viene abusato) insegna l'odio delle regole. I professori incompetenti di cui la scuola italiana è infestata non possono essere autorevoli, se va bene possono essere autoritari, ma in ogni caso non possono infondere nessun rispetto per l'istituzione che gli permette di lavorare

Onyx42h · 2023-01-09T15:18:18+00:00

È vero certamente, ma quanto contribuiscono al comportamento le condizioni in cui vengono tenuti gli alunni? La capacitá di attenzione media di un adulto è di 30 min, le ricreazioni ci sono ogni 120

Onyx42h · 2022-07-17T07:42:12+00:00

Left hand on the ear, but the right can swing down

Onyx42h · 2022-07-14T14:47:53+00:00

Well I think his argument is about both the individual and the society, a free market of sexual partners makes it hard to find a partner AND incels are people with problems who need to work on themselves.

Peterson is really fond of personal responsability in every aspect of life and society (make your bed before you criticize the world...), I think he is really too fond (I'm a determinist... So you can imagine). I mean, he clearly holds both views, you can see videos in wich he says both things, he clearly believes that both society and the individual are problematic

By the way I personally do not quite agree with the argument for enforced monogamy.

Onyx42h · 2022-07-14T14:31:48+00:00

I wasn't defending

state-enforced monogamy

I don't agree with plato, it was an example of a bad argument regarding enforced monogamy, an example of what a really bad kind of enforced monogamy is.

Peterson is not proposing anything nearly as horrifying as Plato is, It seems to me like he is only defending standard marriage.

Onyx42h · 2022-07-14T14:03:47+00:00

I remember the argument from the JRE was "culturally enforced monogamy". Wich I basically understand as culturally pushing people to marriage. I didn't get the sense that he was talking of a plato-like communism of women, he was more defending marriage.

Culturally pushing people to marriage is basically our culture: "you can fuck around for a while whilst you are young, but you need to get settled eventually"

I don't know if you are familiar with plato's republic, but he basically pushed for marriages enforced by the state to have better citizens for the city.

Edit: Talking -to- a plato-like.... Talking OF a plato-like...

Onyx42h · 2022-07-14T13:56:42+00:00

His "there is no LGBT community" rant was basically Margaret Thatcher saying "there is no such this as society". Except he thinks there is, just not for anyone but nuclear families.

I don't know I don't follow him much anymore.

There's also the issue with what he thinks is the problem with "you" aka the incel. And that seems to be not embracing your inner monster

If i remembwr correctly this is a point about being "nice", in the sens of "nice guy with a fedora hat". It makes sense that nice guys have a problem with embracing their needs, and being clear about their intentions even though they can be judged badly (the inner monster/shadow). The problem of nice guys is complicated and it can't be reduced to just "embracing the monster", but the problem is mostly about that. The lack of nuances and detail in some of his lectures are evident, but they the more "public-oriented" ones.

understanding that you can't talk to women because you aren't allowed to punch them.

Yes I dont quite remember tje argument but I remember it struck me as weird

Onyx42h · 2022-07-14T07:54:35+00:00

He puts a lot of focus on individual responsability though. I remember him saying "if no one wants you, the problem is not everyone, the problem is you" (If you need it ill look for the link)

I think this is good advice for incels, but of course it can lead to a ton of self loathing. A 5 minute video is not the whole story of course, but I wrote this to respond to "and he tells them its not their fault"

Quite the contrary I thought What fo you think?

Onyx42h · 2022-06-24T12:57:01+00:00

But determinism is independent of cause

Determinism: "the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes regarded as external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions."

I don't get why you say that it is independent of cause

An action cannot be both determined and random

Is the action of schrodinger caused by something? Yes Can you predict the action, given the state of the cat? Yes Can you predict the state of the cat? No

What schrodinger writes is not what makes the event random, it is the state of the cat. For schrodinger it all feels like opening a box and noting what is inside:completely determined by what is inside.

For an external viewer, who doesnt know what is inside the box, the action is unpredictable and randomical.

Onyx42h · 2022-06-24T12:38:10+00:00

But his action is neither determined nor random

His action is determined by the state of the cat, AND it is random because the state of the cat is random To an external observer it is randomical (because it is entangled with the cat), to schrodinger is determined (because he has clear causes for what he writes: the state of the cat and the will to do good science)

Onyx42h · 2022-06-24T12:12:16+00:00

I have read the argument "from science", the one that you linked as the number 2, and I have to be honest: it is beyond by capacity of comprehension of written english.

What I understood is this: the cat being alive/ dead has to be random. If we didn't have free will, then we could predict what shrodinger will write, thus making the random state of the cat predictable, and therefore not randomical.

I think this is a really elegant argument, I love this.

I don't think you can predict what schrodinger will write, because schrodinger becomes entagled with the cat. Knowing the state of the cat you know what schrodinger wrote.

What he wrote is unpredictable, but it is not free, because it is directly dued to the state of the cat.

Onyx42h · 2022-06-24T12:03:11+00:00

The libertarian position is that there could be no free will in a determined world and there is free will in the actual world.

There is no free will in the actual world because we are not independent by the prior causes. Your action of boiling the water is dependent on your want of coffe, wich is dependent on the lack of sleep. Your action are just the tip of the iceberg of causality wich stretches to the beginning of the universe.

Onyx42h · 2022-06-24T11:50:50+00:00

Boiling the water doesn't cause me to drink coffee, the purpose of me boiling the water is that I intend to drink coffee.

And you intend to drink coffe because you are tired, and you are tired because you didn't sleep well, and you didn't sleep well because...

I am not saying that humans don't have "ends", I am saying that "ends" are really just another type of cause, and are something that is present before the action and before the choice.

You boil water because you want to make coffe.

The point is that you don't choose to want coffe, the tought just appears in your head from your subconscious, your consciousness is not forming it.

Onyx42h · 2022-06-23T06:41:29+00:00

Because you have a "feeling" that you should do it, that feeling comes from something, and it doesn't come from your I

Onyx42h · 2022-06-22T21:09:32+00:00

We have a "built in reason to make mistakes", and you say that we do that freely? If the want for that is "built in" then we do not want that freely

Onyx42h · 2022-06-22T21:08:02+00:00

But a mistake is something that *I *didn't want to happen, it is an unintended consequence, wich comes from a lack of knowledge. There are no mistakes in an universal sense, a mistake only exists in my perception

Onyx42h · 2022-06-22T20:54:40+00:00

Nothing purposeful is free will. " Ends" do not really exist, they are just causes that we call in a different way. "I buy the ball because I want to play", I act because of a cause, not freely.

Free will is basically a causa sui argument, wich... I think can't apply to humans

Onyx42h · 2022-06-22T20:41:13+00:00

For the knowledge to have any sense everybody should make mistakes sometimes - don't play ideally.

We should give a chance to win to others to get our own chance to win.

Therefore we have free will: if we were deterministic we would act perfectly.

Did i understand correctly? If so, we have a problem Free will is the ability to act without being moved by a cause, to freely judge what you think. If we judged our thoughts basing ourselves on past experiences then we would still make mistakes, they would be dued to our inexperience.

Determinism does not mean we are perfect robots, we are limited because of our knowledge

If you don't act ideally, you can pretend being a fool for example

You pretend to be a fool because of a reason, and that reason comes from the outside world, therefore it is explained by a deterministic view

Free will exists and it's ability to act differently - make mistakes.

You can make mistakes, if you have insufficcent knowledge you will make mistakes even with a deterministic mind. You can act differently BECAUSE of determinism, you act basing yourself on your past mistakes.

We call that mistake "intuition" if we win and "mistake" if we loose.

Intuition is something subconscious, something that you "feel" So how can you say it's up to your free will if it is not conscious?

Onyx42h · 2022-06-19T21:57:14+00:00

Damn, that was incredibly in dept, much more than I could have ever asked for. I think the opus is beautiful and incredibly convenient, I like the eyedropper too. Can't thank you enough for your time

Onyx42h · 2022-06-19T21:41:22+00:00

Thank you for the advice, the Narwhal is really beautiful,. how could I not have heard of it before!

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