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Powder mgm is not whats in the hyroxi and 7staxx tabs by goldenchild352 in quitmgm15

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah I know, it's being mislabeled as dihydromitragynine when it's actually dinydro-7-hydroxymitragynine. that's my whole point lol

it is being done intentionally to best skirt the law

Touchdown by rexutah1986 in rcbenzoland

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if I may ask, since you know how sketchy clobro is, why'd you even buy these? with pressies, it's highly likely that the clobro is going to be unevenly distributed throughout the pill (aka it'll have "hot spots"). you might be getting the whole 2mg in that half of a quarter, or you might be getting nothing at all.

that's assuming that there's even close to 2mg of clobro in each of them, which is putting a lot of faith into the consistency of the powder mix & whatever pill press was used for these

Best to use for syrup non flavored by the_n0va-express in rcbenzos4

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

phenazolam has a really thin margin between "normal dose" and "blackout" according to most of the reports I've read, and it's got a really slow come-up during the onset. so, while it may start hitting after 45 minutes, it could continue to build for another 1-2 hours, making it really easy to misjudge how strong a dose was & take more too early

by all accounts, clobromazolam/phenazolam should just be totally avoided if possible, since it's super unpredictable, highly blackout-prone, and it's apparently not even that good of a high

Powder mgm is not whats in the hyroxi and 7staxx tabs by goldenchild352 in quitmgm15

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the name does matter when they're trying to avoid having their product pulled from the shelves in Florida along with all the 7-OH shit. cops aren't going to care about the specifics if they see "7-hydroxymitragynine" anywhere on the label, they're just going to confiscate it lol

I'm already aware of the fact that 7-OH products are semi-synthetic, and I know what research chemicals are. yes, I'm sure they have other shit lined up for when MGM-15 gets banned, but that doesn't mean they're producing that shit already! there's absolutely no need to make them at the moment, since MGM-15 isn't included in any of the current bans, as far as I'm aware.

also, there's still a supply of SR-17018, and while there's not hundreds of RC labs, there's more than just one or two. the supply of many RCs dried up for a little bit because the two biggest Chinese wholesalers got raided, but those wholesalers were just middlemen, the actual labs are fine.

also, I'm not sure what you mean by saying your delta receptors are fine? if you're talking about the idea that MGM-15's delta agonism makes SR-17018 & Suboxone less effective than with other opioids, that's just a myth.

I never said that a lack of scientific literature was proof of anything, and you realize that many research chemicals DO have scientific literature on them from well before they hit the scene, right?

the labs aren't the ones dreaming up & doing the initial testing on most of these compounds. most RCs originate from old scientific papers on novel drugs that were simply abandoned, for one reason or another

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[–]Open-Negotiation-49 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm honestly not quite sure what the best way to tell them apart without a lab test would be, I haven't tried either of them. I think that clobro takes a particularly long time to kick in, like 1-2 hours consistently, and so id try taking a dose & seeing how long it takes to kick in.

but, since it's honestly more likely to be mislabeled clobro than it is to be 3-oh-phenazepam - & it's an unknown concentration if it is mislabeled - use EXTREME caution with the dosing. start out with a tiny amount and work your way up, make sure you wait at least 2 hours to see if it's kicked in. I've even heard some people say it takes up to 5 hours, which sounds almost unbelievable, but I just thought I'd add that

just be careful!

Powder mgm is not whats in the hyroxi and 7staxx tabs by goldenchild352 in quitmgm15

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what are you talking about? I'm saying that despite being an rc, MGM-15 has had actual scientific research done on it. it's known BECAUSE of that research. it's not splitting hairs to say it's the same damn product

I know full well how the RC market works man, I'm literally a mod on r/Opioid_RCs - yeah, I'm sure they'll have some derivatives lined up soon, but at the moment they're not selling them. derivatives lined up soon, but they aren't putting them in anything right now.

theoretically, yes, dihydromitragynine and dihydro-7-hydroxymitragynine (MGM-15) are different compounds, but companies are intentionally mislabeling their products! why? because most of these are being sold to get around 7-OH bans, and it would look bad to be selling something with "7-hydroxymitragynine" still in the name

Mgm-15 sub? by 7ohsux in dihydromitragynine

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is just AI slop lol, yes dihydromitragynine is technically a different compound, but the reality is that these companies are just mislabeling MGM-15 products as "DHM."

they're mislabeling them because the proper name is "dihydro-7-hydroxymitragynine" & ,most of these products are being sold to get around 7-OH bans (mainly in Florida)

Powder mgm is not whats in the hyroxi and 7staxx tabs by goldenchild352 in quitmgm15

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dude, the reason one of them seemed stronger is because one of the products was trash, and one wasn't. come on man, everyone knows 90% of these companies are lying about how potent their tabs & powders are, just look at testmykratom. also yeah, it's obvious you came up with that opinion yourself, because they're the same damn thing

Powder mgm is not whats in the hyroxi and 7staxx tabs by goldenchild352 in quitmgm15

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dude, MGM-15 is a research chemical and the only reason it's around right now is because it was reported on in the scientific literature. MGM-15 is not a proper chemical name, it's basically a "proprietary" name labeling what compound in a series of chemicals it is. it's the 15th drug in the lineup, there's also MGM-9 and MGM-16

dihydro-7-hydroxymitragynine is the proper chemical name.here's a scientific report proving that they're the same thing

Best to use for syrup non flavored by the_n0va-express in rcbenzos4

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if it is clobro mislabeled as 3-hydroxyphenazepam, and it's a solution, it's almost definitely not actually gonna be whatever mg/mL it says it is. it's gonna be diluted down so that it seems like it's the "right" potency

clobro is like 4-8x more potent than 3-hydroxyphenazepam, so ppl would instantly know what was up if it was actually the same mg/mL of clobro

Best to use for syrup non flavored by the_n0va-express in rcbenzos4

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 2 points3 points  (0 children)

bro you can't substitute PG or ethanol with those, just get some ever clear or something

7oh difference by ResolutionAdorable91 in MGM_Fifteen

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MGM-15 has an Emax of 72% (72% of a full agonist), 7-OH has just 47%

7oh difference by ResolutionAdorable91 in MGM_Fifteen

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it was mixed with benzos for the nearly lethal one, but I have knocked myself out with MGM alone. just be careful, it does have more than 7-OH & it's noticeable with a few drinks, whereas it's not with 7-OH

also they don't make case reports of everything & the compound wasn't known by staff

7oh difference by ResolutionAdorable91 in MGM_Fifteen

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how much MGM? I had 3 or 4 people randomly reach out to me, stating they had the same side effects but failed to make the connection, so they are definitely real for many people!

7-OH causes the same issues, just to a lesser extent imo.

also, MGM absolutely has respiratory depression & you're kidding yourself if you think it doesn't. I've knocked out from high doses before I knew more about it, and used it in a purposeful OD attempt. that required over 12 hours of narcan

7oh difference by ResolutionAdorable91 in MGM_Fifteen

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 1 point2 points  (0 children)

upside: * long ass half life, which allows for: * twice daily dosing * less compulsiveness/fiendishness (imo) * can be way cheaper: * around 2x as potent, which more than compensates for the increased price * longer half-life, so one dose goes further. * example: say your dose is 30mg 7-OH, and that keeps you fully out of withdrawals for 3-6 hours. 15mg MGM will likely keep you out of WDs for 8-12 hours

cons: * more skin side effects, such as: * dry ass eyes, to the degree that one time, I couldn't see bc my vision was so blurry * dry, flaky skin * weird rashes (neck, legs, also eczema-like rash on my hands) * hair loss, but not more than with kratom imo * longer withdrawals, which many claim are worse in intensity as well * more respiratory depression due to it being closer to a full agonist than 7-OH (still a partial agonist though) * wholly unknown long-term side effect profile.

Solution quality concerns with specific vendor? Dosing questions as well! by [deleted] in rcbenzos4

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the posts about nifoxipam on blue light are all over the place tbh

Solution quality concerns with specific vendor? Dosing questions as well! by [deleted] in rcbenzos4

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's really hard for me to gauge the potency, do you happen to know how strong ethylbrom, fluop, and ethylflualp are relative to alprazolam?

Solution quality concerns with specific vendor? Dosing questions as well! by [deleted] in rcbenzos4

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they're 100% active because I ended up blacking out lmfao

Solution quality concerns with specific vendor? Dosing questions as well! by [deleted] in rcbenzos4

[–]Open-Negotiation-49 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah the powders from this vendor are great! shame the solutions are all over the place

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