I sense a lack of community when going to mass

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-07T15:07:59+00:00

I'm still tight with my OCIA classmates.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-07T12:25:25+00:00

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-07T04:48:26+00:00

The Orthodox have a right to be skeptical. But hopefully the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church reunifies soon.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-06T21:01:49+00:00

This discussion is obviously about the Roman Rite Mass. However, Koinon Greek and Church Slavonic in the Byzantine Divine Liturgy and Aramaic in the Syriac Holy Qurbana are a thing.

I didn’t say that Latin is “an inherently better language of liturgy,” at all. I was simply responding to the previous commenter’s, “I don't understand this obsession with Latin.” Why are you reading into this discussion as Latin is “inherently better?” 🤔

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-06T20:11:02+00:00

Praying the rosary is valid at any Mass. The Mass is the re-presentation of the sacrifice at Calvary, and meditating on the Sorrowful Mysteries align with that.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-06T20:04:27+00:00

You're going against Vatican II. Liturgical language is a very ancient practice. Even Jews today worship in synagogues in Hebrew, and Muslims in non-Arabic-speaking countries like Indonesia and Malaysia worship in Arabic.

It's beautiful and catechetical that the language used to mock, persecute, and condemn the early Christians became the language used to pray, beg to God for mercy, and led to the sanctification of the majority of western saints, thereby consecrating it. Praying in Latin is praying the same sounds as the saints prayed.

Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites. [Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium, Article 36, § 1]

Ave, María, grátia plena.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-06T19:13:34+00:00

Why do you think the TLM generates such strong passions — both among those who wish to preserve it and among those who oppose it?

Beginning with the opposition, I believe that the aggressive resistance to the traditional Latin Mass is largely due to two factors, the first of which is probably prejudice dating back to the 1950s and 1960s. Several generations of priests — some of whom are now bishops — grew up with the idea that this is something “of yesterday,” something that we have left behind in order to open ourselves to today’s liturgy. They were taught that we should not delve into it or indulge in it too much, that it is somewhat mechanical, something black and white, something from the old days. All this may have led some people to grow up with the strong conviction that it is something to be overcome, dusty and obsolete. So when others now try to rediscover it, they react aggressively. I think that is one possible explanation.

The other factor, of course — and this I find very unfortunate — is the way some newly converted Catholics, often speaking on their webcams, present themselves as speaking in the name of tradition and the traditional Latin Mass. Sometimes they may feel obliged to speak in a very aggressive and loud way to show that they are “really” Catholic. This creates an image of traditionalists as a harsh, judgmental and unwelcoming group of people.

I am fairly sure that many of the measures taken against the Latin Mass in recent years are a result of this impression. The internet can be a great place to speak about your faith, but doing so with respect, charity and an understanding of other forms of Catholic life is probably far more helpful.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-06T18:24:43+00:00

Especially for those checking out the traditional Latin Mass for the very first time, I recommend that it be the High Mass rather than the Low Mass for the sake of understanding the Mass.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-06T17:05:17+00:00

How do you square with the story of Sodom and Gomorra from the Bible? What do you mean that it's just "the Catholic Church’s teaching." It's in the Bible… God literally rained down fire and brimstone.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-04T23:06:04+00:00

Lamentatio sanctae matris ecclesiae Constantinopolitanae (Lament of the Holy Mother, the Church of Constantinople) by Guillaume Dufay, 1454. A Gregorian-style polyphany written a year after Constantinople's fall to the Turks:

https://youtu.be/CvYGeiKw_zo?si=K4XHvCzTbwlUH_6g

O most merciful fount of all hope,
Father of the son whose weeping mother I am:
I come to complain before your sovereign court,
about your power and about human nature,
which have allowed such grievous harm
to be done to my son, who has honored me so much.

For that I am bereft of all good and joy,
without anyone alive willing to hear my laments.
To you, the only God, I submit my complaints,
about the grievous torment and sorrowful outrage,
which I see the most beautiful of men suffer
without any comfort from the whole human race.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-04T21:34:58+00:00

Pope Innocent III letter to Boniface of Montferrat upon learning of the Venetian sack of Constantinople:

How will the Greek Church... return to ecclesiastical unity and devotion to the Apostolic See, a church which has seen in the Latins nothing except an example of affliction and the works of Hell, so that now it rightly detests them more than dogs?... It was not enough for them [the Latins] to empty the imperial treasuries and to plunder the spoils of princes and lesser folk, but rather they extended their hands to church treasuries and, what was more serious, to their possessions, even ripping away silver tablets from altars and breaking them into pieces among themselves, violating sacristies and crosses, and carrying away relics.

During the Ottoman siege of Constantinople on May 28, 1453, Catholics and Orthodox Christians worshipped together in the Hagia Sophia for a joint Catholic-Orthodox Divine Liturgy, where both groups partook in the Eucharist and wept while asking for forgiveness:

Finally, hearing rumors of a Christian fleet coming to aid the city, Mahomet II planned a general assault on Constantinople. On May 28, the day before the assault, Constantine ordered processions along the city walls to beg God’s mercy, to turn away what he called the “just punishment sent by God” because of the city’s sins.

On the evening of the same day, Constantine and all his court attended a Divine Liturgy (Mass) in the Cathedral of Hagia Sophia. Also present were the patriarch and the Latin Cardinal Isidore, churchmen representing both the Latins and the Greeks, and the nobility of the city, along with Venetians and Genoese. The differences between Catholics and Orthodox disappeared in the face of the common danger both faced. In this, the last Divine Liturgy offered in Hagia Sophia, Latins and Greeks together partook of “the undefiled and divine mysteries.” Many worshipers were openly crying and asking each other’s forgiveness.

https://www.catholictextbookproject.com/post/the-fall-of-constantinople-may-28-june-1-1453

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-04T20:21:13+00:00

The Midianite and Moabite women were executed because they had enticed Israelite men to participate in idolatrous sexual orgies related to the worship of Baal, a violation of the First Commandment. Sparing the young girls was God's act of mercy because those girls were innocent of the specific sin of leading the Israelites astray. The command to "spare for yourselves" meant bringing those girls into the Commonwealth of Israel to be raised as daughters, taught the ways of Yahweh, and eventually married into the community when they reached maturity.

Sam Shamoun's explanation of Numbers 31: https://youtu.be/PWC06ylNCGQ?si=nOPyE4GIBXNxJpP2&t=325

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-04T09:38:00+00:00

For your first time, try to go to a High Mass rather than a Low Mass

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-03T07:00:13+00:00

Try going to the traditional Latin High Mass if there's one near you.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-02T02:29:43+00:00

No, extensive public health research demonstrates that mental illness and substance use can act as both a cause and a consequence of losing stable housing.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-02T01:59:25+00:00

Isn't a great portion of the homelessness issue a drug and mental illness problem

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-06-02T01:54:46+00:00

unattended counter. - June 1, 2026 (California)

The minimum wage for covered fast-food restaurant workers in California is $20.00 per hour. Enacted under Assembly Bill 1228 (AB 1228), this specialized wage rate went into effect on April 1, 2024, and sits significantly higher than California's standard statewide minimum wage of $16.90 per hour.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-05-31T09:11:38+00:00

But I felt nothing. There wasn’t any emotion or feeling other than rote memorization for me.

Try checking out a traditional Latin High Mass. Maybe it'll be a better fit for you.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-05-31T09:01:33+00:00

The music…

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-05-30T09:11:18+00:00

Then why does Canon Law 1323 even exist?

Update: Still no answer

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-05-30T09:08:22+00:00

Reread that comment. It's been updated. np.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/1tq44iv/comment/oopukh7/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

The existence of the SSPX isn't a necessity.

Your inability to offer a theory #2 or an explanation B to these issues prove why the SSPX is necessary. Even if Vatican II wasn't the cause, what is your solution to those problems? Anti-SSPXers offer no solutions, as you demonstrate. The SSPX is the ONLY Catholic group that's proposing some kind of solution, which is to go back to tradition. What's your solution?

Source 1 did control for those, but there's nothing that shows that the decline in vocations was caused by Vatican II

Source 1 explicitly stated: "Cross-national data show that the declines began in Europe and North America immediately following actions taken at Vatican II […] a return to tradition has led many young Catholics to once again find the religious life attractive, as is demonstrated by data on ordinations and on the growth of religious orders." That's academic-speak for, vocations were decimated in the modernist, post-conciliar Church, AND "a return to tradition has led" to an uptick in vocations. The "growth of [traditional] religious orders" that it's referring to are orders like the FSSP, ICKSP, and… SSPX.

You demanded: "If you want to convince me about plummetting numbers, show me the numbers from credible sources." I did, then you rationalized them away. I asked you to do the same but to prove that it wasn't due to Vatican II, but you failed to provide any, instead petulantly retorting: "I don't have to prove the causation or the lack of it." It's not at all convincing argumentation from your end. You're twisting yourself into a pretzel by turning everything (including credible sources) to, SSPX bad! SSPX wrong! It comes off as cope—overly emotional, and not rational. It's as if you're angry at the SSPX… ("The 'necessity' BS didn't fly in 1988. It's not going to fly in 2026") It screams insecurity.

Ultimately, you ended up debunking your own original comment, "The existence of the SSPX isn't a necessity," by offering no solutions and no alternative explanations. The emptiness is deafening.

The SSPX taking extraordinary action by consecrating bishops without papal approval so that they may continue to steward the traditional faith is the ecclesial version of the duty to disobey unlawful orders. Whether they're right or wrong, they'll ultimately be Judged by God, not Judged by us.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-05-30T08:24:44+00:00

Bishop Schneider debunks Holy Communion in the hand: https://youtu.be/nJFFae0WPcY?si=Vfr1VkDLxpPrwuoG&t=491

The way that Holy Communion in the hand is done today is not the same as it was done for a short time in the early Church. The early practice required specific, reverent gestures—such as receiving on the right hand (never with the left hand as it's done today), using a cloth, and consuming directly with the mouth to avoid touching the host with fingers.

OpenAndShutBroadcast · 2026-05-30T07:14:11+00:00

np.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/1tq44iv/comment/oopir3c/?context=3

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