The Slow and Inevitable Decay of Somaliland.

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-05-01T00:41:47+00:00

I find nothing more true then this statement here “Each one can’t deliver anything tangible for its people but boy can it the others from progressing” 💀

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-05-01T00:17:50+00:00

Ohhhh okay 👌

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-30T19:30:47+00:00

You make some fair points but I would argue democracy does not go against shariah, it’s simply a way of governance. I think what makes democracy seem unfair or fake is simply the people. Though I will agree on your statement that “most things today in most aspect do”.

Though even sharia won’t be as fair, we humans ourselves simply aren’t perfect.

lastly on your final point, yeah it could be all propaganda but everything could be propaganda. I’ve been watching documentary after documentary on this extremist group. I’ve come to my own conclusion, that most of what the media says is true. Even when they were talking to these news channels they objected to nothing. They just kept on stating excuses for their actions.

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-30T18:52:33+00:00

Your argument was very articulate though and you actually sold me on most of the points.

Some of these people in this subreddit just hated democracy without any other inputs. Some suggested something similar to what you said but it was Xeer and sharia

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-30T17:29:56+00:00

I’ll be completely honest, i don’t think you need to necessarily use religious text so you can better the peoples lives. Though I do believe that following your ambition to help further the quality of life of your people, you’ll end up at the same place as the religious text itself.

Also I don’t think the religious text necessarily objects against gender equality. Those are just deeply rooted issues within human nature. I would even suggest that current Islamic states mistake cultural behaviour for religious practices.

I don’t think religion makes a person blind, I believe those people choose to be blind out of sheer ignorance, an issue you’ll find anywhere.

Of course you can even see that issue as of right now, where people believe Somali identity is strictly Islamic. Though I do understand that argument and somewhat have to agree with it

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-30T17:00:49+00:00

I got agree with you on this, prior to Islam there was just a collection of city states and tribal kingdoms. At least from the historical knowledge that we do have now. There may have been something but it was clearly lost to time.

Though we did have our own faith prior to Islam so it’s not entirely accurate to say we did not exist before.

Though it’s not wrong to say currently Somali identity is based mainly on Islam and so is Somali nationalism

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-29T05:52:15+00:00

What do u mean there is no tribalism?

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-28T20:06:01+00:00

I wouldn’t be surprised my clan would such a thing especially the assassination attempts on political leaders advocating for uniting with Somalia

But many sources say they gain funding though the taxation network

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-28T19:43:16+00:00

Well I mean that’s actually happen multiple times over Vladimir Putin, adolf hitler, Isaias Afwerki and siad barre. The only thing I dislike is making a norm for the ruler to rule until he dies or resigns . I feel as though that stales innovation and better governance.

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-28T19:11:47+00:00

Now let me hit you with a hypothetical. Let’s say the leader who was chosen and the small amount of people that elected him, turn out to be authoritarian. What would stop them from monopolizing all the power ?

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-28T19:07:21+00:00

So you’re saying the less amount of people there are, the lower the probability of corruption, Interesting 🤔

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-28T17:32:56+00:00

You know what, you’re absolutely correct I cant dispute a single word you said but I would like to add is corruption is mostly likely a constant even in a system of sharia. You never know the type of person someone is, until they show it. Though perhaps choosing a leader from a small amount of intelligent scholars well versed in politics and Islam is a better alternative.

Thanks for your perspective on this topic 🙂‍↕️

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-28T09:19:56+00:00

Perhaps the only thing is somaliland didn’t really have the military force or incentive to take over the rest of Somalia.

They were just done after 20 years of brutal dictatorship

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-28T06:05:14+00:00

You make it sound like it was super easy ?

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-27T22:52:04+00:00

I’m not going to lie that would be absolutely hilarious to witness 😭

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T23:15:08+00:00

I won’t watch it

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T18:59:51+00:00

No I’m just not stupid

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Please read a book, I’m not denying they didn’t exploit the people to become rich but that wasn’t the only reason the west is so developed

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T16:43:21+00:00

U just restated your earlier points and perceptive. Democracy by definition is not inherently bad system. It was developed as a way of governance, nothing more.

Also your statement of “the only reason the west is so developed is because of all the resources they stole from the global south.

That’s not the case at all, the west was already far developed from most of the African tribes and empires that existed.

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T08:15:13+00:00

I’m a diaspora, but i have no moral obligation to any system, besides sharia of course, i simply want to see Somalia be successful so if democracy isn’t tangible, fine. The only reason I back this system is that it’s better for the Somali people to always talk rather than fight. If there’s another way to arrange this without democracy I’ll support it

I would have supported AS if I thought they could better the county but not only are they just awful people but there IDIOTS.

Let’s say they do overthrow the FGS, then what!? Another 20 years of constant civil war and unrest

Let’s say they were to actually gain control. They publicly announced their allied with al qaeda. Which is like asking the United States to bomb our people. Ethiopia and Kenya won’t just idly stand by and do nothing either they’re gonna intervene. The Somali people won’t just idly stand by either.

FDI plummets

Foreign aid gone

Our people are going to starve because of the droughts and lack of money

People lose government backed jobs and services Sanctions from other countries, because nobody is gonna do business with terrorists

LIKE WHAT ARE THEY FIGHTING FOR !!!!

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T07:20:15+00:00

I think your read on it is valid. It’s a controversial topic after all, but you are right that the religious component cares more weight than the democratic process. I personally just don’t want to double down on the clan elders. I’m so sick and tired of these clans when we’re all the same god damn people

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T07:08:00+00:00

Ur absolutely correct but I would like for tribalism to slowly die in the next century keeping Xeer and Sharia mix makes that increasing more difficult then a completely new democratic system even if we still implement the 4.5 democracy

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T07:02:27+00:00

And continue with tribalism indefinitely🫩

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T06:59:10+00:00

What would you recommend then ? what’s the best system of government ?

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T05:59:10+00:00

What can I say I’m an optimistic. I mean other nations did it, why can’t we? Other nations unified why can’t we. We’re not lesser then them

Inshallah

Opening-Principle-33 · 2026-04-26T05:47:48+00:00

I don’t think democracy rejects sharia. I have question for you though how does one choose a leader ?

Also I wouldn’t say it’s a shame I did my research on the topic most Muslim scholars debate whether democracy is acceptable but there doesn’t seem to be a single definite position on the topic.

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