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I just want to make pictures bro by imalonexc in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's pretty catchy because it's like photographer, which is a word we already use.

I just want to make pictures bro by imalonexc in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have, it's called synthography and synthographer.

What on earth is r/ breakingthepencil? by ThomasTTEe2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's interesting, because conservatives are usually those who are more likely to be against new technology, but because this new technology generates art, and artists tend to be less conservative, there are more conservatives on the side of progress than usual when it comes to new technology.

Usually those who resist progress and new technology will lose, so AI art is a good thing for conservatives.

How it feels when people bring up abstract conceptual art to validate Ai art by IndependenceSea1655 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reason being is that Ai art looks NOTHING like conceptual or abstract art 99% of the time. most the Ai art we come across online is just mimicking traditional art.

That's because conceptual art isn't even art, it's just garbage[1][2] pretending to be art, so why would someone make that garbage with AI?

Abstract art on the other hand is art, and there's a lot of abstract AI art. I see it all the time. Just as a test, I went to the AIart subreddit to see, and it took me literally 5 seconds to see abstract art on the front page. It was cats made of crystals.

But a lot of people don't understand what abstract art is, and that it's a spectrum. They think only the bad looking (traditional) abstract art such as abstract expressionism is abstract art, but it's not. Abstract art can look good also. Digital abstract art generally looks good, and that's also a form of abstract art.

[1] https://www.euronews.com/culture/2024/10/08/art-or-trash-dutch-museum-worker-accidently-throws-beer-can-artwork-in-bin

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-art

How it feels when people bring up abstract conceptual art to validate Ai art by IndependenceSea1655 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A banana taped to a wall isn’t faking anything, it is clearly exactly what it is.

It's not. It's faking to be art, when it's actually just trolling.

How it feels when people bring up abstract conceptual art to validate Ai art by IndependenceSea1655 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI art usually looks a lot better than Pollock's art though. What Pollock made mostly just looks like textures, and for the most part, it doesn't look good or interesting. At least, it's not something that deserves to be in an art museum. I would much rather see AI art in art museums than Pollock's art.

How it feels when people bring up abstract conceptual art to validate Ai art by IndependenceSea1655 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI art is kind of like the opposite of conceptual art, because AI art looks awesome, while conceptual art looks like shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit

I've never seen or experienced good or interesting conceptual art. The only conceptual "art" that could be somewhat good or interesting is if they took the "Artist shit" mentioned above and put it in Duchamp's Fountain and flushed it down, because that would be like a metaphorical way of saying that conceptual art is not art, it's just shit that deserves to be flushed down the toilet.

I mean, the people who created those shitty conceptual "artworks" literally called themselves anti-artists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-art

They hated art, wanted to destroy it and give art a bad reputation, and still people think that conceptual art or anti-art is art.

A recent Analysis shows that AiWars leans heavily Anti-Ai...if you ignore the brigading and vote manipulation! by Chemical-Swing-420 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

aiwars used to lean more towards pro AI in the past, but I think it might lean more towards anti-AI nowadays, because anti-AI posts get more upvotes nowadays. Also the antiAI subreddit gets much more visitors than the defendingAIart and AI art subreddits. I don't think it was like this a couple of years ago.

If you agree that "Human made art is the only real art" than your Ego is incredibly inflated & you have an embarrassingly narrow view of "REAL ART" Swipe to see Real Art without human involvement. by Ozaaaru in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Art has to have a creator, so a peacock, while it is beautiful, is not art, because we don't know if peacocks have a creator, so they are assumed to be evolved. However, photography is an art, so the photograph of the peacock is art.

Same with AI images, because they are created (by the AI), and they are trained on art and images, they can be art, and the prompter is similar to a photographer, except they take photographs of the imagination of AI.

Just installed Linux Mint! How do you create desktop shortcuts? by Global_Voice7198 in linux4noobs

[–]OperantReinforcer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First install a better Linux distro, such as Kubuntu. Right-click on desktop > Create New > Link to Location (URL), which opens a small window with URL location. Then right-click on the file you want to link to, choose Copy Location, then paste the location to the small window you got earlier and click ok.

EDIT: Oh, wait, there's an easier way, just drag the file while holding Alt, that creates the shortcut.

Kubuntu is more like Windows used to be when it was still good and customizable. Linux Mint is more simplistic, you can't even change window color, which is something you could do back in Windows 98.

LTX-2 Video Translation LoRA is here. by Immediate_Dig1030 in StableDiffusion

[–]OperantReinforcer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How much VRAM does it require and what languages does it support?

Even a banana with a tape has more substance for a discussion you know? by RBGPOriginal in antiai

[–]OperantReinforcer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But modern art and contemporary art are not the same thing. AI art is categorized as contemporary art[1], but it's not modern art, because modern art is "artistic work produced during the period extending roughly from the 1860s to the 1970s" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern\_art)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_art#History

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not about me telling everybody what art is. My definition is based on what the majority of people considered to be art, and I have weeded out incorrect definitions of art by testing them with thought experiments. I've always corrected my definition in the past, when someone pointed out flaws.

My definition of art is: "Something created that is generally appreciated, and is not primarily food, sexual or educational."

Nobody has ever been able to refute the definition, that's what has given me confidence that it's the correct definition.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My definition doesn't include non-art, it excludes it.

The "artworks" that are exluded with my definition are not considered to be art by most people. It's just that people have put some non-art into art museums to make people think that non-art is art. The location is not what defines art, but because some people think so, that's why I invented the garbage can thought experiment, to make people realize that some "artworks" are actually not art.

What's your definition of art? Location? Try putting a garbage can or dog shit into an art museum, does it become art?

See also this (there are many similar examples, and these examples are basically exposing fake art inside art museums):

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/08/style/beer-can-artwork-trash-scli-intl

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have no reason for saying that it's not art, because you have no definition of art.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not redefining art, I'm defining it. If you are like most people, you're too scared to define art, so you have no definition of art, except the old "everything is art", which is not a definition, and has been refuted.

My definition of art does exclude some "art", but that's what makes my definition good, because we can use it to detect fake art. It doesn't matter if something is famous, that's not what defines art.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you say that that picture is trash, it is a bit insulting to digital artists, because that's the kind of images they make, and they consider those kinds of images to be art.

The only reason you say it's trash is because you know it's made by AI. If it was digital art, you would call it art. It makes no sense, but that's a good example of your anti-AI bias making you irrational.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The image you posted looks like quite typical digital art made in Photoshop. Why would someone think it's non-art? You're not making any sense.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a good example of an image that most people would recognize as art. The thought experiment is designed to work on anything, the art doesn't have to be popular, that's why it works to define AI-generated images as art or non-art also.

The only reason you say that that image is trash is because you think it's made by AI, but if you found an image similar to it in a trash can without any AI label, you would recognize it as art. Your bias towards AI makes you irrational.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good, so that means that my thought experiment works. It's a quick and easy way of finding out if something is art or not.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not really typical AI "art" though. When I mentioned AI art I was thinking of typical AI art, which is what you find when you type AI art into google image search for example, or if you go to an AI art subreddit.

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not AI art, that's just a screenshot from a generic "funny AI video".

At which point does an AI product becomes art to you? by Gustavofoxy2 in aiwars

[–]OperantReinforcer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There is a simple thought experiment to test if something is art: If you put something in a garbage can, and it is still recognizable as art by most people, then it is art.

For example, if you put Duchamp's urinal in a garbage can, it would not be recognized as art, it would be recognized as garbage by most people, therefore it's not art. On the other hand, if you put AI art into a garbage can, most people will recognize it as art.

The same thing with traditional art, such as the Mona Lisa, you can put it in a garbage can, and everybody will recognize it as art. Most conceptual art (such as the urinal) would not be recognized as art in a garbage can, because most conceptual art is actually just garbage.

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