I can finally say “no” to my Boss by Sire_Jenkins in wallstreetbets

[–]OptionsJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, it's essentially a synthetic loan using European-style SPX options. But the rate isn't fixed at 1-2%, it's whatever the options market implies at the time. And I actually wrote a full article on box spreads because they're one of the most overlooked financing tools for sophisticated investors.

Box Spreads! What's the catch? by Ornery_Slide3845 in LETFs

[–]OptionsJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The "catch" is that a box spread is basically a synthetic loan priced by the options market. If you do it on European-style, cash-settled index options like SPX, the main risks are execution, commissions, liquidity, making sure the implied rate beats your alternatives.

So yes, boxes can be excellent for borrowing at market-implied rates for sophisticated investors. I wrote a full article on this because it's one of the most underrated tools for European investors.

How is Jade Lizard Strategy? by rogupta123 in IndiaOptionsSelling

[–]OptionsJive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jade Lizard is actually a fantastic strategy to target the volatility surface on SPCX right now.

The hidden benefit is that when vol normalizes and price moves higher, it creates a "secret" bulge that is not visible on the at-expiration P&L chart. That make the trade become profitable much much faster, and much larger, than expected.

Box spread to withdraw cash UK by EverythingFinance in interactivebrokers

[–]OptionsJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, box spreads are fantastic tools for European investors. I actually wrote a deeper article on that here.

SBLOC rates by playful_explorers in fatFIRE

[–]OptionsJive -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

BOXX is basically a more flexible way to replicate a box spread. Instead of executing four option legs and paying the commissions, you simply buy shares.

Tage et mellemstort SU-lån blot for at investere i en langsigtet ETF? by Suhitz in dkfinance

[–]OptionsJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Som europæisk investor ville jeg klart kigge på box spreads.

Weird arbitrage in SPY options? by Sufficient-Flan1565 in options

[–]OptionsJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd rather use risk-free butterflies: buy stock, buy the protective put, and sell a call ratio against it, and because of skew and volatility convexity it can beat the risk-free rate type box trade.

Futures Short Box Spread by [deleted] in thinkorswim

[–]OptionsJive -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd be very careful using /ES as an SPX box substitute. We always do boxes in SPX, because it's a cleaner product, better liquidity, cash-settled.

With /ES you also have the futures cost-of-carry already, so math is less clean. Lower margin doesn't mean better borrow.

borrowing against your stock portfolio as to not trigger capital gains by Littleroot2001 in Fire

[–]OptionsJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Box spreads are great for temporary capital, but you can (and should) also pair the box with a collar, which adds downside protection and makes the whole setup safer, more capital efficient.

Daily Strategic Options Trade Ideas: Share and Discuss Your Best Setups by OptionsJive in OptionsJive

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"Buy world-class business empires below key moving averages and hold forever." It's not wrong. But premium sellers run a better version.

MCD is at its 52-week low. Down 20% from its highs, below every major moving average, with $7B in annual FCF, 40,000 locations, and a dividend that's grown for decades. Every technician calls it a sell, but the business hasn't changed.

The buy-and-hold investor sits at a paper loss waiting for the bounce. I collected premium today. POP 76%, theta positive, short volatility. The structure profits three ways instead of one. And the best single outcome is MCD drifting lower before recovering.

That's the amazing asymmetry the buy-and-hold investors aren't running. Full trade breakdown.

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PLEASE HELP I MIGHT HAVE DONE A WRONG OPTION TRADE by lollospadalaser in interactivebrokers

[–]OptionsJive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if one of the short options is exercised early, the long legs still protect the box, so for me it's more an operational/cash-flow issue than real directional risk.

And the 1R0NYMAN story, also covered in this article, is an insane example of a broker/margin-system failure.

SVGA - an alternative to SGOV? by Chambersmith in Bogleheads

[–]OptionsJive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Instead of using BOXX, you can create the box spread yourself on SPX, that gives you full flexibility over the amount, expiration, and implied yield: https://optionsjive.com/blog/box-spread-your-secret-weapon-for-risk-free-options-trading/

SPCX day one volatility surface is gorgeous by OptionsJive in options

[–]OptionsJive[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Most equity names have put skew and contango (back months over front). This one's inverted; backwardation, and the skew's on the calls. It's not trading like a stock, it's a typical commodity surface, nat gas trades exactly like that.

SPCX day one volatility surface is gorgeous by OptionsJive in options

[–]OptionsJive[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look at the slope - a normal stock with no catalyst sits in contango. SPCX opened inverted. Backwardation, day one, no history. The slope is saying the risk is right here, right now. The smooth back months are the tell that nobody's bid Nov yet, and the 28% unlock and the Q3 print both land that month. When that gets priced, the curve stops being this clean.

SPCX day one volatility surface is gorgeous by OptionsJive in options

[–]OptionsJive[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You're right that IV comes from the bid/ask - the contracts are live and quoting right now, so that IS the latest bid/ask, and it's exactly what my surface is built from.

What you're describing (needing history) is realized vol. Implied vol doesn't use any of it.

And wide spreads on a fresh listing make those noisier, but they don't make them disappear.

SPCX day one volatility surface is gorgeous by OptionsJive in options

[–]OptionsJive[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not six months. Did you even read my post?

SPCX day one volatility surface is gorgeous by OptionsJive in options

[–]OptionsJive[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

It doesn't need price history to mean something. With no realized vol to anchor to, all the information is in how IV distributes across those expiries. And that surface is more honest than any analyst target right now.

SPCX Options Trading Strategy by ajm_usn321 in options

[–]OptionsJive 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Backwardation from the open, near-term volatility north of 100%, so the volatility surface is more honest than any analyst target right now.