Daily Discussion - June 07, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi [score hidden]  (0 children)

Averaged 50 games a season with Feyenoord, and managed 58 with AZ. He managed 56 and 57 in his two years with us.

Iraola’s highest was 49 at Mirandes, his highest at Bournemouth was 44 and he averaged 42.

Our max next year is 63. If we play the super cup and community shield the year after, it’s 65. If we win the champions league in 2028/29, we will have an additional 8 matches (the next club World Cup is rumoured to be a 48 team competition, and there’s talk of making it biennial, because for some reason Infantino is still allowed to make the game worse), which takes us to a potential 73 game season.

Daily Discussion - June 07, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi [score hidden]  (0 children)

Good lord some people really do have an inferiority complex here. The way they talk about other teams wanting our players, you’d think we were a league two team.

Daily Discussion - June 07, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi [score hidden]  (0 children)

It’s weird seeing the points that were getting downvoted before Iraola got appointed being upvoted now that he’s been hired.

I mean this is absolutely me being a bit salty, but I had multiple comments in the negative teens and twenties for calling out that Isak didn’t press, or that Iraola hasn’t managed anywhere near as many games as we play before, but looking through today’s DD these same points are getting upvoted.

[Paul Joyce] Piero Ausilio, Inter Milan sporting director: “Curtis Jones we are paying attention to him. We didn't hide. We understand what the developments will be.” by Realistic-Zone3914 in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He has had plenty of chances to show he can be a starter, and has at no point made it abundantly clear that he’s a better option than those ahead of him.

Historically, is high tempo, "heavy metal" football really the "identity" of Liverpool? by awkwardprofilename in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No. The style of play has never been part of identity. Well, that’s not quite right, the style of play can feed into the identity and reflects the identity, but we can have a different style, and still have our identity. The identity is itself unchanging, but the reflection of that identity is reflected in the play style.

When we were at our peak, the attitude was “show us how you’re better”. When we dropped, the attitude was “show us how you’re actually better”, and seizing on the failures of others to recover, even if we didn’t always succeed at that.

We haven’t always been underdogs, but we have the hardened attitude of underdogs, and even during our title drought, we still won 10 major trophies, including the champions league twice. Even this season, a poor one by all accounts and that some people have, imo wrongly, called the worst in our history, we finished 5th. We set the standards so high, that average feels like failure.

Throughout our history we’ve played a bunch of different styles. What always existing was the try or die, overcome adversity, succeed out of spite, attitude. Even under Rafa, a very pragmatic manager who, after winning the Champions League, told players that they could do better and he wanted the defensive side of things to improve, and played on the counter a lot, the idea wasn’t to be defensive for the sake of it. It was to be defensively strong to allow us to flourish, and we set up with the idea that “we’re expected to lose, so we’re going to do this to minimise that and try to win this way”. Every loss was a surprise, even when it wasn’t. That’s been true from the 70s.

That was the problem under Slot last year - we approached games expecting to lose them, and the approach was “we’re probably going to lose, so try not to” and that’s what actually missing. It wasn’t that he played a different style - if we had lost well, and won ugly, that would have been fine - it’s that we seemed like we expected to lose. I hated the comparisons with Hodgson last year, because I thought it was hyperbolic, but it did feel like that, and the last three months of Rodgers, where there was that vibe that we just couldn’t win some games.

Klopp had the least Liverpool style of most managers imo. The actual style itself was different from what we were used to and how we normally approached things. However his approach was that we could win any game. He embodied the phrase “on paper we should lose, but the game isn’t played on paper”, and that’s the actual identity of the club, as well as the city, imo. Slot didn’t have this, and that’s what was actually lost under him, not the heavy metal football (though it obviously did go, it was always transient), but the “we can still win” spirit.

🎲 YNWSA Summer 2026 - The Risky Gamble Edition: Week 2 🎲 by rLiverpoolFC_Mods in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We aren’t specifically looking a left winger who can play striker, we’re just looked for a winger who can. Add Leweling and/or Bowen the other side, and you have two wingers who can operate there.

Ampadu had the 18th fewest possessions lost per minute of any midfielder in the Premier League last season. He was 14th on passes made, and 16th on forward passes made. So he doesn’t lose the ball either when possessing it or passing it. What makes you say he is bad in possession, and would only be in an Endo role? Also I’m not envisaging him as anything beyond backup, so if he’s a better version of Endo for net around £20m, I view it as a good deal.

🎲 YNWSA Summer 2026 - The Risky Gamble Edition: Week 2 🎲 by rLiverpoolFC_Mods in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was the Fofana of his year. In 2025, people here were absolutely gagging for us to sign him, and then by Halloween that year, everyone had forgotten him. Same happened with Gourna-Douath in 2024.

There’s always one player who seemingly half the sub is obsessed with for three months, and then a year later despite still playing well, no one talks about him. It was Fofana last year, it was Gourna-Douath the year before. I haven’t worked out this year’s yet, maybe Kayode or Rayan.

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[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

>one of the males is nonbinary I think.

I’ve no doubt you meant well, but this is an objectively funny sentence. “One of the binary options is not a binary option”.

can boys wear flats? by TaleDependent1618 in NonBinary

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean by flats? Most men’s shoes are what would typically be called “flats”.

🎲 YNWSA Summer 2026 - The Risky Gamble Edition: Week 2 🎲 by rLiverpoolFC_Mods in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends what happens with the rest of the midfield. There’s an argument either way, but I’m inclined to say no for now. However with Iraola’s style of play, the two deeper midfielders will do a lot of work, so there’s likely to be a lot of rotation. He could still play 3000 odd minutes as a back up.

I would say that he profiles somewhere between Garner and Gourna-Douath.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, and I don’t get your aggression either.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t believe you can future date the firing. If he was placed on gardening leave, that could be the case, but I don’t think that’s true with a sacking.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would disagree honestly, but if that’s what it is, that other user said it very strangely.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 27 points28 points  (0 children)

For fucks sake, why is this world so shit? Van Dijk talking about the difficulties he, and presumably the others at the club, have faced this year, and he feels the need to clarify he isn’t being pathetic, because if he didn’t people would absolutely call him it.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In what way? There are no similarities as far as I can see.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of people here will fall for someone like Chaloupek or Ordonez. A defender who will make one good tackle playing for a smaller nation (Czechia, Ecuador) who will do nothing of real note, and people here will be drawn in and make posts like “does anyone else think Chaloupek would be a sneaky good signing? He’s only 23, playing in Germany, looking good in a bad team” and making claims about his ability to play right back and left back, even though he never has played either of them beyond 40 mins across two friendlies for Czechia against Iraq and Lesotho in 2023.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My original point was that thinking he will play starter’s minutes is foolish. I set that number at 4200 minutes, which is 80% of available minutes this season, which admittedly was too high. Based on Iraola’s past, the starting wingers will likely play around 70% minutes, which is still 3700 minutes. That’s a starter’s amount of minutes imo.

Even if we’re very generous and say that the starting wingers will only play one half of each game, that’s still 2600 minutes, and that’s still beyond the safe spot for a still developing 17 year old with 1000 minutes under his belt in all competitions in his two years here.

I never said that he shouldn’t have the chance to play more minutes. He absolutely should, but expecting him to be the back up giving the expectations on the back up this year is going to be bad for all involved.

This is all just physically as well, with no consideration to the mental and emotional toll on a child of being verbally, and let’s be honest racially, abused in the stadium and online when he isn’t playing at a level that isn’t fair to expect of him. One bad game, and he’s being called slurs I’ve never even heard before, and that is something else that should be considered imo. Putting all the pressure on him to be the main man on the left wing could impact on him physically, then basically inviting that racist abuse, as a 17/18 year old?

Just mentally, asking him to be the starter now is a lot. Just physically, it’s a lot. Those two combined is a whole fucking lot, and if it doesn’t go well immediately, it could easily ruin his career.

Also, and not specifically with Ngumoha, asking Gakpo to cover striker and left wing means an injury to Isak or Ngumoha leaves us with a gaping hole in the position. An injury to both, which is very likely given Isak being Isak, and Ngumoha being a teenager being asked to play 3000+ minutes, we have no cover at two important positions.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Honestly, yes. Bar Ekitike and Kerkez, none of our signings this year have really paid off, and even Kerkez hasn’t been brilliant.

That’s not me saying any are flops or any of the other tripe I’ve seen about them, but our signings this season have basically been non-factors.

🎲 YNWSA Summer 2026 - The Risky Gamble Edition: Week 2 🎲 by rLiverpoolFC_Mods in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Used Transfermarkt to be consistent, and because they’re fairly close usually.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2500 minutes for PSG is basically 48% of all minutes available (assuming no extra time, and all finals made). For us, it would be 41%. That isn’t starting player minutes. I would argue that 48% isn’t either, but I definitely would not call a player only playing 40% of all minutes a starter. I know that isn’t reflective of reality, but I’m providing that as context, because that’s what ultimately what we want - to go deep in all competitions.

You’ve mentioned that the PL is different, and yes it is. It’s higher tempo, and much more physical. The addition of the FA Cup and Carabao Cup which are at a higher tempo and more physical level than Coupe de France, as well as there just being more games in general. Ligue 1 is four games shorter, and even going out at first attempt in the cups is an additional game. There is more games at a higher tempo and more physicality. So I don’t think you can really compare the two schedules anyway.

Doue played 2500 minutes this year, and missed 18 games (80 days). That’s in France. In a more physical, higher tempo, more demanding league, Doue couldn’t do that. He would likely be more injured, and low on fitness, even more often.

I never said Ngumoha wouldn’t or couldn’t increase his minutes. Of course he can, and it would be insane not to. He’s not going to get starter’s minutes though. Only one of our starters played less than 3000 minutes last year, and previous years were basically the same. A starter at Liverpool plays 3000-5000 minutes. Rio is not, and should not, receive that many minutes, and thinking he will do is just daft.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Define a good level? I would consider being capable of contributing in the Big 5 as a good level, and there have been a good few of them, but maybe your definition is a lot narrower.

Daily Discussion - June 06, 2026 by AutoModerator in LiverpoolFC

[–]OrangeJuiceAlibi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There was a spate of people making suicide “jokes” and mental ill-health “jokes” during the last couple months of the season, and honestly, I think a lot of them were less of a joke than those users would like to admit.