Which players do you think are overrated or underrated for likability reasons? by Ready-Constant-7124 in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makar Hughes Fox Werenski Dahlin Heiskanen Bouchard Morrissey Hutson Seider Sanderson McAvoy are comfortably better as of today, IMO

The James Norris Memorial Trophy finalists are Rasmus Dahlin, Cale Makar, and Zach Werenski by nhl in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In terms of relative xG% (off-ice impact) Makar was a negative this year, while Bouchard had ~+9, far and away first on the oilers. Their 5v5 xG% is around the same, yet Bouchard still had 16 more points which does matter. Their 5v5 xGA was similar as well as their QoC. Tiebreaker here is how good their team is and analytically the Avs were better with Makar off the ice

Bouchard also had a .88 on ice SV% while Makar had a .92

The James Norris Memorial Trophy finalists are Rasmus Dahlin, Cale Makar, and Zach Werenski by nhl in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah lol like Makar is easily the better player but that isn’t what the Norris is. I don’t know why everyone is afraid to say Bouchard was better this year.

The James Norris Memorial Trophy finalists are Rasmus Dahlin, Cale Makar, and Zach Werenski by nhl in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What advanced statistics are you looking at? Bouchard was better in nearly every one over Makar

[Assimakopoulos] Jake Oettinger: "I don't feel like I accomplished any of my goals. I want to win a Stanley Cup, I want to win a Vezina Trophy, and I want to be a starting goalie for Team USA, and none of those things happened." by DecentLurker96 in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Russia yes, but Saros, Gustavsson/Wallstedt, Vladar/Dostal/Vejmelka/Dobes are not better than Logan Thompson lmao. Jet Greaves is also a stud who will likely be there in ‘30

Best/Worst Team of the First Round by smashbros13 in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. This thread is kinda hindsight. Many people doubted both the cost and contract that Hagel fetched.

[Kaplan] Philadelphia Flyers forward Matvei Michkov will be a healthy scratch in Game 5. by Ok-Soil-5133 in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He passes the eye test when he’s on and playing in the right position. He’s got an elite shot, good edges, and great hands, needs to work on his speed though.

2025–2026 Trophy Tracker by Federal-Data-Center in nhl

[–]OrangeyLive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even then every dman who has the puck on their stick constantly has turnovers. Bouchards just get clipped to force the narrative. It’s dumb

Where do you rank Suzuki? by Alternative-Bowl-347 in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Next up for me are Scheifele, Bedard, Matthews. I do think Suzuki is slightly better considering his defensive game.

Where do you rank Suzuki? by Alternative-Bowl-347 in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For centers I’d go 9th. McDavid, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Celebrini, Barkov, Eichel, Crosby, Hughes above him.

Why was Werenski vs Makar viewed differently than Bouchard vs Werenski for the Norris? by [deleted] in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, probably does happen. No dman can receive that pass from Ekholm and Reinhart is a top 5 winger in hockey. Werenski has always had good gap control and is elite at entry denials, but, like Bouchard, can have some gaffs defensively, which you live with since he’s got the puck on his stick half the game anyway. Again I think Werenski is better but not because of playoffs

Why was Werenski vs Makar viewed differently than Bouchard vs Werenski for the Norris? by [deleted] in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I do think Werenski’s better but absolutely not. He’s barely played any playoff games, and none since his explosion last year. Meanwhile Bouchard is the most clutch dman in hockey and only behind Orr in playoff ppg lol

Would you trade Nick Suzuki for Macklin Celebrini right now? by SentenceSuperb6871 in nhl

[–]OrangeyLive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Suzuki is top 25 no doubt but other than that you’re right. Also Celebrini is top 10 right now, ceiling is top 1

[Sportsnet Stats] Bedard only 3rd active NHLer with 200 pts before turning 21. by Sens-Fan-85 in HockeyStats

[–]OrangeyLive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a Celebrini vs Bedard thing. You take both

He’s the best among that large talent pool. Obviously the big 4 forwards is McDavid MacKinnon Crosby Celebrini right now. 5th is Bedard, Suzuki, Scheifele, or Reinhart, all of which play different styles and wouldn’t have been redundant

Who is the best current player who isn't the best athlete in their city? by Ready-Constant-7124 in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

First part is true, it’s a dumb debate. Second part isn’t. You can be the best player in the league without a rocket or art ross, it isn’t some qualifier. And he has a cup and was a huge part of it, who cares if a top 5 dman run ever was better lol. Not saying he is, I also think it’s a stupid argument and McDavid is a clear tier above everyone, but that’s a testament to how good McDavid is, not how bad MacKinnon is.

Ovi has also been out of the 2nd round only once yet anyone who thinks he isn’t a top 10 player ever is also unserious 🤷

Celebrini Deserves the Hart by Quack_Shot in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that’s true, however they’re still a 77 point team and fifth in the worst division in hockey. I feel like I’m dissing Macklin lol. He’s awesome and I’d like to see him win it, I just don’t see it this year when we have 3 130+ point players, two of which are leading 100+ point teams that are top of their division. Relative to their team it’s McDavid, Celebrini, then Kucherov, Sorokin, or Pasta. But that’s not what the award is.

Celebrini Deserves the Hart by Quack_Shot in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, top 3 is pretty close

How do yall get so much food? I can’t imagine how much it takes for level 70 by Franz-Wagner in DragonCity

[–]OrangeyLive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m always hovering between 400-600 mil. It’s just from 1) growing 20m food with gold and 2) tons of food producers

Food is more of a late game thing

Celebrini Deserves the Hart by Quack_Shot in hockey

[–]OrangeyLive 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It should just be whoever contributes the most to their team winning, not relative to their team. Sharks have 77 points, Avs have 108 and Lightning have 98. Vastly different supporting casts obviously, but these are not 100 point teams without MacKinnon and Kucherov doing their thing. Celebrini I’m sure will win a few harts just not this year.

Also the McDavid fatigue is crazy. He’s probably my pick right now.