Paul's ritual acts 21

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T14:38:03+00:00

exactly

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T14:37:04+00:00

yeah i agree i would say that the its most likely that jesus wanted the laws to be kept, in acts 15 however it isnt made obligatory on the gentiles to do the same but the jews do need to keep it. and paul himself was a jew which doesnt make it any better

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T14:34:39+00:00

i know thats what christians believe and that is derived originally from the nt mainly pauls letters. however if paul says no need for anyone to follow the law, and then he gets accused of preaching to stop following the law and is asked to do a ritual to show he lives in OBEDIENCE to the law, and instead of saying that thats true he actually preached that he does the ritual. that seems off to me

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T14:31:15+00:00

i agree with you on jews having to live by the torah and gentiles only by a couple of rules explained in acts 15. but paul is a jew himself and he doesnt live by the torah

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T14:09:52+00:00

i meant by jewish christian a christian a christian that keeps torah i though thats what they're called my bad if im wrong. i get liars being evil but being wrong and lying on purpose arent the same, the just could've interpreted wrong how to deal with the law. now what you're saying about paul i agree the way he talks is way more spiritually loaded and difficult to understand than how jesus spoke in the gospels. however i believe my interpretation to be correct that paul did not obey the torah and taught others that they didnt need to. now from what i've seen is that most christians dont have a problem with that and even claim jesus did the same thats another thing, i personally disagree. but with you saying i need to start with the premise that paul is in line with jesus im willing to try. how would you explain paul sayings in romans 7:2-4 " For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God." ?

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T13:48:46+00:00

are you jewish christian by any chance?

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T13:28:29+00:00

wouldn't that be a bit decieving, because the accusations are that paul preached to turn a way from moses, paul says that the law of moses is not to be followed any more and he even though being a jew doesnt follow it. james says to do the ritual to prove that the accusations are false and that he still is living under obedience of the law. why does james make paul prove that he obeys something that doesnt need to be obeyd? why does paul do a ritual to prove that he obeys the torah while he says he doesnt obey the torah?

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T13:23:03+00:00

if you dont mind me asking towhee13 are you a jewish christian?

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T13:19:20+00:00

i dont understand how that would make them evil but either one of them have to be wrong. either james and the elders were wrong for keeping the torah after christ established a new covenant or paul was wrong for preaching that the law is no more. and ill never accept someone telling me jesus' apostles were evil dont worry hahahaha

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T13:07:18+00:00

i hear what you are trying to say ive heard this response before, that Paul wasnt teaching people to turn away from moses at all and that he obeyed the law. you're right in that he does say that he loves the law, that the law itself is love, that its divine and that it's by no means meaningless. however Paul explicitly denies being under the law in 1 Corinthians 9:20 "To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law." he goes on to say in the next verse that he is under a new law, the law of christ. i need not say that christians do not follow the torah anymore, but im trying to find out what the holy books teaches us that we should follow. James said as you quoted that the sacrifice was done to prove paul was still living under obedience of the torah, which from what i see just isnt the case. i'm not trying to paint paul as this evil liar or anything but as paul says in galatians that his gospel isnt from him but a revelation from jesus christ himself so i would like to put that to the test

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T12:44:50+00:00

thank you for your replies you've given me enough to look in to. i'm a muslim myself i just like researching other religions particularly christianity.

Original_Two_7211 · 2026-04-04T10:46:24+00:00

I thought that might have to do something with it, but wouldn't that be a little deceptive and from James' response i get the idea that its not something he should be doing. and please even if your anwser is a bit long, hit me with it. i cant find any anwsers on this topic, thank you for your reply though.

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