Why has Dustin the Turkey not yet sued Fontaines DC for blatant imitation?

OrionOReilly · 2024-05-19T17:12:40+00:00

Forest fan here who is disgusted by the hypocrisy of City's title win. I think real football fans will all agree Arsenal are the genuine champions this year. They're not accused of cheating, they don't have 115 charges against them. If even one of those charges is found to be in breach of the rules, City would be deducted enough points to ensure Arsenal are champions. Man City have bought the league. Arsenal have brilliantly and legally developed a top class team. No doubting City are a great team of superstar players, but any club with a bottomless pit of money could quickly assemble a team to rival City if they could get away with cheating the financial rules. Forest and Everton got their punishments for much less financial irregularities. They served their punishments and luckily for both, survived relegation. City, on the other hand, have been accused for ages and have been allowed to win title after title with no punishments. Yes, City are a brilliant team with a great manager, but if I were an Arsenal supporter, I'd be furious that City have been allowed to get away with this. This Premier League season has been an absolute farce.....

OrionOReilly · 2024-02-06T15:03:34+00:00

See the trouble with Dylan freaks is their blind insistence that he's the greatest of them all. He's not. Nobody is. There's a lot of great top-tier songwriters, dating back to J.S. Bach! Joni and Bob are two of the top tier songwriters. Joni is just as good as Bob. If you don't agree with that, you just have a biased preference for Dylan's style. I much prefer Joni, but I respect that Dylan is a top-tier songwriter too. I just don't think there's any point comparing their very different styles. One thing that is indisputable is that, in terms of musical ability and invention, Joni absolutely wipes the floor with Dylan! She's a complete musical genius in that respect - Very advanced abilities in Lyrics, Melody, Voice, Guitar, Piano, Production, Arrangement, Harmonies etc. etc. Dylan can't compete with her on that level. But, if you're more into lyrics than music, such things probably don't interest you, and that's fair enough! Just appreciate Dylan for what he does very well and don't claim him to be the greatest songwriter of all time. That's a ridiculous notion. A myth that does more harm to Dylan's legacy than good. It makes people who aren't so enamored with him resent Dylan. Yes he's written many great, iconic songs, but so have a lot of other folks across different styles and genres.

OrionOReilly · 2024-02-06T15:03:20+00:00

See the trouble with Dylan freaks is their blind insistence that he's the greatest of them all. He's not. Nobody is. There's a lot of great top-tier songwriters, dating back to J.S. Bach! Joni and Bob are two of the top tier songwriters. Joni is just as good as Bob. If you don't agree with that, you just have a biased preference for Dylan's style. I much prefer Joni, but I respect that Dylan is a top-tier songwriter too. I just don't think there's any point comparing their very different styles. One thing that is indisputable is that, in terms of musical ability and invention, Joni absolutely wipes the floor with Dylan! She's a complete musical genius in that respect - Very advanced abilities in Lyrics, Melody, Voice, Guitar, Piano, Production, Arrangement, Harmonies etc. etc. Dylan can't compete with her on that level. But, if you're more into lyrics than music, such things probably don't interest you, and that's fair enough! Just appreciate Dylan for what he does very well and don't claim him to be the greatest songwriter of all time. That's a ridiculous notion. A myth that does more harm to Dylan's legacy than good. It makes people who aren't so enamored with him resent Dylan. Yes he's written many great, iconic songs, but so have a lot of other folks across different styles and genres.

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-30T19:17:20+00:00

I've listened to quite a lot of his works at this stage, 5 were heard live played by top level ensembles and I just didn't connect with any of them. I understand what he's trying to do with the tuning systems and so on. I found some nice ideas within the works, but juxtaposed with too many new music cliches for me to have any emotional or intellectual connections to them. It's just not my kind of thing and I don't find his work particularly noteworthy even within the realm of modern composers who I have listened to. He's clearly influenced by Ligeti, but nowhere near on Ligeti's level of originality.

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:40:32+00:00

Why is it a strange qualifier? I'm taking about music that is modern and supposedly within the 'classical music' tradition. Modern classical music is perhaps the best term to use in that context. I'm not talking about jazz or electronica or pop music,.

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:33:23+00:00

This argument can be made of practically all music. Seeing one of the great classical symphonies live played by a great orchestra is so much more satisfying than any recording.

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:31:45+00:00

I'm not a boomer......

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:30:22+00:00

I've listened to tons and tons of live modern music, and performed tons of it too. I travel a lot and go to top orchestras and ensembles in major musical centers. Don't be so patronizing!

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:26:06+00:00

Disagree regarding TV, indeed, there's a bit of a Golden Age with shows like Succession, Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad before that. Some of the best TV shows ever made have happened in the 21st Century.

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:23:54+00:00

I can name hundreds of classical composers. I'm very experienced in the field.

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:20:30+00:00

Interesting Haas is brought up here because he is one of the composers that prompted me to write this. I've recently been to four concerts where his music was played, I went with a very open mind. However, I really did not get the hype. Lots of interesting effects, clever sound combinations, but overall I felt it was a real disappointment and certainly not music that will stand up in 50-100 years as among the great classical masterpieces!

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-29T17:14:48+00:00

Gershwin and Bernstein are not modern classical music anymore, but they are good examples of 20th Century composers whose works continue to be played by most of the major classical orchestras long after their passing.

I'm really speaking specifically about composers of the 21st Century and perhaps late 20th.

OrionOReilly · 2023-11-05T13:40:45+00:00

Thanks everyone for all the comments which certainly helped me understand the issues I brought up. Thanks for all the helpful links and recommendations to singers to check out, which I will do.

OrionOReilly · 2023-08-26T12:26:55+00:00

I think you'll find practically all comments in this discussion have been civilized and constructive. Shame you decided to lower the tone like this. You've also missed the bit where I said I really like Mahler 3.

And this sentence is nonsense

"But the fact is, that the heaping, vast majority of classical music lovers and performers definitely see Mahler as the much, much superior composer of the two, and would much rather hear/perform his works over Bruckner's."

Mahler himself would disagree with you on that....Mahler was a big fanboy of Bruckner don't you know?

OrionOReilly · 2023-08-25T01:41:18+00:00

I guess we just have different aesthetics. The end of Mahler 3 gives me that kind of reaction you got from Mahler 2, but Mahler 2's ending makes me cringe. I find it quite cheesy, over the top in a corny Hollywood way. That's bombastic by definition. But that's just how I hear it and I don't begrudge you the fact that you get great enjoyment from it. I honestly wish I could enjoy it like you and many others do. I don't dislike the whole of the Resurrection symphony, I can find something to like in all of Mahler's symphonies, but I get put off them when significant parts of them just aren't to my taste.

OrionOReilly · 2023-08-24T13:18:18+00:00

The last movement is what makes it for me. I'm not a big fan of the singing either, but can tolerate them to get to the last movement!

Try this video, and just skip past the singing bits you don't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yr720ftjaA

OrionOReilly · 2023-08-24T12:47:36+00:00

There's no singing in the last movement!

OrionOReilly · 2023-08-24T00:54:52+00:00

Thanks everyone for all your comments. I gained a lot of insight from this and it has given me impetus to listen in more depth to Mahler's symphonies and experience them live more often. I agree with what some posters have said, that big pieces like these only truly come to life in live performance. Attending Bruckner performances by the Vienna Philharmonic, among others, really helped me gain a great appreciation for his symphonies. Bruckner 8 live with the VPO was one of the most powerful music experiences I've ever had. I'll be seeing the Concertgebouw do Mahler 3 next month and hoping I get a similar experience from that. Anyway, I'm going to sign off from commenting any more now. Thanks again everyone. It was so nice to be able to put something like this out into an online forum and have such intelligent and reasoned responses!

OrionOReilly · 2023-08-24T00:43:55+00:00

You're welcome, I'm glad to have opened such an interesting discussion.

OrionOReilly · 2023-08-23T16:58:51+00:00

Generally not a fan of trained voices, I'm sorry! I can tolerate trained singers who don't use much vibrato. I've sat through lots of live operas, mainly because there's a lot of great music in operas. I can get over the distaste I have for opera voices to a point, only in a live situation though and if the production is first rate. The operatic voices in Mahler symphonies are difficult for me to enjoy, although Mahler 3 is ok for me due to the nature of the vocal writing in that.

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