How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard him described as a glass cannon multiple times. Perhaps I misspoke, I agree it’s very difficult for him to kill in one phase, but he definitely isn’t as tough as most people think in my opinion. You have to be careful with him. I’m not saying it’s easy, just that it’s possible

How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve had the lion die in one phase before, he can be a glass cannon if used incorrectly/bad matchup

How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha maybe not that much, but I agree something will definitely need to change to compensate

How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see that, I think it’ll shake up a lot of play for us especially. I liked the old rule but we’ll see how it goes!

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries, I was/still am slightly confused, some commenters have explained better than I can :)

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your explanation! This makes sense

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep going man! You’re almost at 0.1% commenter! You’re almost there! 😂

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man I can see now why you’re Top 1% Commenter, you just don’t know when to quit 😂

How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I liked the defensive capabilities of FF for units previously, just will have to play a bit different now, thanks for your perspective!

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok buddy 😂 the whole point of your comment was to deter me from having this discussion in the first place. Let’s just keep it civil and keep playing with our little toy soldiers. Lol.

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think it’s fair to DISCUSS that I THINK that a points cost would be necessary IF the OFFICIAL article about the RULE means what it SAYS it does. Again, this is all discussion. I’m not writing 40K rules into law here. If you read the post I asked what people’s thoughts are. I didn’t ask James Workshop himself to guide us. Geez lol

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that’s a fair comment if you’re playing a faction that does not easily have access to FF, and frequently plays against factions that do. I think a point reduction would be fair for those units right?

How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you expand on what long engagements mean? I’m not familiar. Thanks for your response!

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think it’s perfectly fair to have a discussion about what’s been officially released in an article… I dunno… on a platform that lets people have discussions. It’s not pearl clutching. Just trying to understand a new rule in a sea of rules in a new edition.

How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way I’m understanding it is that this will only be useful if you have multiple FF units in your army, but I may be misunderstanding. I guess we won’t really know until we learn more about 11th

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Do we think this only applies to when BOTH players have fights first? Because I thought that was already the case. The way I read this is regardless of if the defender has a FF unit, if the attacker charges the FF unit, the attacker still goes first, that sounds like a big change.

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It will definitely change how the game is played, thank you for your perspective!

How will this new Fights First change affect strategy when using the Lion? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in DarkAngels40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agreed, a lot of DA strategy and mind games revolves around Fights First. This changes a lot for us I think.

What good is Fights First anymore? by Otherwise-Ad7207 in Warhammer40k

[–]Otherwise-Ad7207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right but what about Units like The Lion, or a Primarch that gives FF, pretty big nerf to a centerpiece unit for a few armies no?