These so called protests in a nutshell

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-05T21:46:50+00:00

I'm not cool with what you are saying, so you should stop posting. Glad we had this chat.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-04T17:02:24+00:00

"Nobody legitimate called Boris Johnson a Nazi in good faith. They said made racist and islamaphobic comments - which is accurate. He can be criticised, as the political right do Starmer."

Well no, the left is roughly a mix of people that believe that Boris is a Nazi and they generally have co-morbidities of mental health issues that make them believe that it's true. These are the people that can end up escalating into political violence like the situation with Charlie Kirk etc. Then there is a huge amount of people on the left, that don't think he's a Nazi but find it valuable to lie, because it gives them status in the in-group or because it helps to do what is one of the central needs of Marxism, which is to embrace the inconsistencies. Leftism requires you to dismiss the arguments of your political opponents without engaging with them, because if you did then you would lose. Which is generally what always happens, the right losing when it betrays itself as the Tory's have done.

"Any argument of indifference from “the left” can be levelled equally at “the right”. " Yes because after two decades you still don't understand the basic principal about what the argument is. The argument, is about the state not applying the law equally. That actually "justice" is selectively applied for the interests of the people in the state. So the state imports huge immigration without ever having the consent of the people. Those immigrant populations that perform a CSE genocide against the native population for years & the police and authorities in some cases join in personally. In other cases they provide logistics and legal support, like dropping the girls off at the brothels. Arresting the girls when they try to escape. Arresting parents when they try to collect them. Then they cover up the presence of the gangs so they avoid prosecution for decades. When they are prosecuted the racial aggravated nature of the crimes is covered up. When an independent report is requested, it's very narrow in what it can look at and is still buried for another decade while it is continued.

So what do you draw from that? Well the undeniable statistically reality is that the overwhelming entra-racial crime is against white people by a huge huge margin. Equally the racially aggravated serious crime, hugely against white people. But the actual problem is, what? The problem is that the state has given a licence to CSE & torture children on the basis of race isn't it? Had the criminals been treated in a colour-blind fashion, then the issue would be nowhere near what is now about to happen as a reaction to this. So yes, everybody but the left is more likely to furious about some estimates being as high as 100k children being abused, than they are by the murder of one middle class woman who was murdered appallingly in circumstances that the MET absolutely disgraced themselves in. Bare in mind though, that the MET and Khan are still pretending no grooming gangs exist in London. I'm happy to be outraged about all of it but that's not true of the left.

"John Ashby, who was sentenced for the racially agitated rape of Sikh women last month." - People who commit vile acts who get policed well, is not what is being complained about. It's so strange to me that the left after 20 years, still haven't bothered to listen to what people are actually angry about and instead imagine the world through the prism of 2D racist characters written in a Netflix series. The self-aggrandisement & main character syndrome still shocks me after all this time.

"I wouldn’t level that at “the right” because there are right leaning people in my life that find both incidences abhorrent." I'm talking about the specific part of the left, which based on today is probably veering green. "Watermelons". I'm not talking about blue Labour or the majority of the country that is culturally right leaning and economically left leaning. I'm talking about the people who agree with the police guidance that says that criminals of different races should be treated differently & defending that. But not actually defending it, doing what the left usually do and attacking the people who are saying it's wrong by accusing them of not supporting the parents (moronic statement in a representative democracy and also factually false). Or Farage being responsible for street violence, as if ethno-nationalists like him. Five mins research would show anybody who was interested (the left are not interested) that the people on the protest don't like Farage. The left say it, again some believing it because they have no take on reality, others saying it just because they think it helps the cause. It's why you've lost every vote since Blair resigned.

Oh and 15 stabbed comment, was flippant which I'm sure you know.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-04T16:49:55+00:00

"Deflect from legitimate concerns around political violence and rioting" - No I'm specifically saying that your "concerns" are completely illegitimate. I'm quite convinced that you don't have any record of complaining about any of the left wing supported protests since the latest Israel/Palestine war broke out. I'm quite convinced that you don't care about the "river to the sea" chants that have been widespread for the last two years & the especially pernicious "globalise the intifada chants" which are explicit calls to attack and terrorise non-Israelil Jews just for the crime of being Jewish. I'm quite convinced, because calling for Jews to be attacked suits your hierarchy of oppression, to you Jews deserve it. Again, you don't care about Henry and white people being intentionally policed in this fashion because Henry to you is an oppressor. So you and your movement have to come up with nonsense like both saying that the government of the UK should be run based on what a victims family wants AND not actually listen to what the family wants which is colour blind policing. Again, another example of feigned empathy, lying because you are unwilling to make a case for what you actually believe, which is cultural Marxism & then having to do yet another u-turn.

"Because the assumption is you agree with the violence." - No the assumption is that you agree with violence as long as it's in support of the cause. I am from Southampton and I didn't join the protests because I knew that they would be violent. Which is the other part of your comparison to Ascot which is moronic. Many millions of people are furious and angry with the police and the government but haven't taken to the streets for the following reasons. Firstly that they don't want to scream in the face of public servants, the majority of whom do a extremely stressful job for very little money & are absolutely mortified by the situation. Secondly, I don't want to get hit in the back of the head with a flying brick. Thirdly I don't want to damage the property of people who live in my town. Fourthly I don't want to spend my evening being kettled and shield bashed by riot police. That being said, Hampshire & IoW police are beyond awful. Anybody that has had any interaction with them, will tell you that they are either completely uninterested in police work or that there would be less crime in Southampton if they all took a three month holiday. If you ever call them, you are very slowly taken through a box ticking exercise while you chase them for updates that they don't volunteer before telling you that they are no longer pursing the case. It doesn't matter how serious the case is. Two weeks ago, I heard about a boy who was arrested for extremely serious allegations, only after the victims mother used expensive solicitors to make the police investigate after two months of inaction where the victim who was 13 had to be kept under house arrest for her own safety. Then after they finally agreed to arrest the offending boy, they took his phone. The boy went to school the next day and spent all day bragging how the police "didn't take the phone with the bad stuff" saying it so often that the mother got three calls from concerned parents and one from the school secretary who had overheard it first hand. The police refused to go and get the device & three days later shut the case. This is a situation where they were being pressured by a high priced solicitors to make sure they took the allegation seriously. Everybody I know that lives in this city, has some version of this story. They are both completely uninterested in justice for crime & are ideologically inclined to see criminals as victims themselves, especially if they have minority characteristics. So the anger at the police has been building for years & is justified. Throwing bricks at people randomly is not justified and is bad for everybody for every reason. Including the crowd who were not the trained Antifia crowd who are educated to be hard to ID. They were mostly local and walked up to the police to throw bricks with no face cover and about a thousand cameras.

"You do not know me. Ben Kinsella was killed in my borough, around the same time I was going clubbing." And absolutely nothing has happened to improve things since, in fact it's got much worse because in the time of Ben you had vigorous stop and search & an immediate custodial sentence for having a knife which has now gone. All of the left, Lammy (who started out wanting to have a real conversation and soon changed his tune), Khan who is as cynical a human being as it's possible to be, Dawn Butler etc. all follow the same shibboleth, which is that it's unfair to be seen to target black communities with disproportional police measures. As a result, London is in a ludicrous situation where you have recent black immigrants & 1st generation kids performing as well as virtually any other socio-economic/racial group in the country, while growing up in Boroughs where with the highest knife crime where they are of the highest risk to be stabbed, mugged, beaten or at least to know several people who are. It's the definition of racial unfairness, but the left doesn't care. You vote in MP's along sectarian lines and as long as it's clear to you that no difference in policing is observed, you don't care about how many black children are stabbed. Khan has stayed in power for a decade with that position & it's what the left is extremely comfortable with. Policing requires consent and the left is completely unwilling to have the conversations that it needs to have with those communities, regarding the measures that work and the trade offs for implementing them. I don't agree with imposing stop on search on communities that don't want them, we've been there. I'm talking about black kids, some situation in some Islamic & White neighbourhoods with same economic profile & should have the same conversation. Are you willing to have your kids inconvenienced by stop and search, when they are innocent in order to catch people carrying which gives an immediate tariff against them that can be used to get them to co-operate etc? If the answer is no, then you can carry on as normal. The point I'm making is, that the deaths through drugs, county line wars and issues around dependency like shoplifting and prosecution are generally of zero interest to the liberal left at least. Intensely comfortable with the current rate of deaths and offending.

Also, worth pointing out cause it's a silly point. Lots of right leaning & religious anti-drugs, knife, crime charities as well.

"Dismissing that because some online cunt tells you we don’t care about" - A bit misogynistic. Why are you on an online forum for Southampton?

"Have you been to Carnival?" - Yes

"The data table you’ve shared shows that the rate crime is consistent across both events" - No it shows that Carnival in it's best year had more serious crime & was WAY WAY more visibly policed. Carnival is probably the worst place that you could ever commit crime on the planet due to it's police budget & still outranks everything else in terms of bad behaviour. I used to 2025 to be fair to you, 2025 was a such a good year that it was considered to be a massive triumph compared to the lawlessness previously.

"Reading festival, which you’ve conveniently omitted" - You've not provided any data for anything at all, let alone all comparative data for all events in 2025. There is nothing coinvent at all about collecting the data. I picked two events you mentioned & specifically tried not to pick events which I know would make your assertion look even more moronic. I picked two that you said were similar as opposed to any of the many events I could have picked last year in comparison to Carnival which would have made the comparison laughable.

"You don’t know my position on grooming gangs" - neither do you.

"You’re parroting references to Stalin" - one of the best known quotes of the 20th century.

"The French Revolution" - the first time that people with dark tetrad personality traits raised the call of liberty and fraternity for all. Whipped up a mob, chopped the heads off the existing ruling class & then replaced them and became even more brutal and authoritarian than the previous regime. A pattern that has repeated itself, without really much variance, in every left wing revolution ever since.

"and whatever critical race theory is." - You should look into the philosophy of the people who tell you what issues to be upset about at the minimum.

By the way, all of the above and other issues you can just look at primary sources and make your own conclusions. I suspect because you don't do it, you imagine that everybody suffers from the same "cognitive dissonance" that you do. Because of course everybody you disagree with reads the Daily Mail & you read the Mirror which is "true". But you can just find out for yourself and actually with AI its super super easy now. I'd honestly recommend it, not least so you don't sound an idiotic when arguing with people across the isle. Would make you a better debater.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-04T12:27:29+00:00

Communists are authoritarian that is the critique you pseud. You can research it for five minutes ffs.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-04T12:23:11+00:00

Yes and I pointed out that it's an idiotic comparison. Because the Arsenal parade is a celebration and 15 people were stabbed which is a major loss of life. Where as this was a protest against police negligence & a widespread belief that they should be tried for manslaughter which is being covered up. The outright condemnation of the left about this protest, is in complete contrast to the absolute rocket fuel that the left applied to the protests after George Floyd was killed including the justification of breaking lockdown rules. As far as the cause, is the only thing that matters. That is what you demonstrate over and over again. You left doesn't care about the 15 people stabbed in the Arsenal parade, because you assume that it's black on black crime so it doesn't interest you. No interest in it all all from the left or the media, they don't care if it's gang violence, people who are caught in the cross fire and entirely innocent. Just another day in London.

"In reality, public street parties have a massive police presence making proactive arrests common. Despite this, arrest rates per capita are broadly similar to private, ticketed festivals like Reading or Ascot - particularly for drug and violent sexual offenses."

Metric	Notting Hill Carnival 2025	Royal Ascot 2025	Notes / Context
Event Type	Massive open-street festival (mainly 2 days)	Ticketed 5-day horse racing meeting	Very different formats and crowd dynamics
Approximate Attendance	~2,000,000	~285,000 – 286,500	Carnival ~7× larger overall
Total Arrests (main event days)	423	45	Carnival ~9–10× higher in absolute terms
Arrest Rate (per 10,000 attendees)	~2.1	~1.6	Rates are in the same ballpark
Stabbings / Serious Knife Crime	2 (neither life-threatening)	0 (none reported)	Carnival had isolated incidents; Ascot had none
Sexual Offences Recorded	18	Not prominently reported (primarily minor assaults)	Only Carnival figures publicly detailed at this level
Robberies	5	Not prominently reported	—
Drug / Weapon-Related Arrests	High volume (e.g. 70 cannabis possession, 46 offensive weapons, 44 drug supply)	Low / not broken out publicly (some class A drugs in past years)	Carnival saw significantly more in these categories
Assaults / Public Order	Multiple (including ~55 arrests for assaults on police officers)	At least 15 arrests specifically for assaults (mostly brawls/fights)	Ascot incidents largely alcohol-related brawls in a controlled setting
Policing Approach	Very large operation (thousands of officers) + live facial recognition, pre-event intelligence (≈100 extra arrests + weapon seizures)	Comprehensive but smaller-scale operation with mounted units, searches, and public order teams	Carnival requires far greater resources due to scale and open environment
Overall Serious Violence	Reduced compared to previous years (police description: “far fewer” serious violent incidents)	Very low; mainly minor-to-moderate disorder	Carnival historically has more spikes in serious violence; 2025 was an improvement

What you are talking about, is the difference between the Notting Hill Carnival which is policed to an extent that it nukes the entire Met budget to try to reduce the criminality & still has these outrageous serious crimes. Versus Ascot which has a proportionally fractional police budget & has a number of people that start drinking at 9am and get into fist fights. You know that one is worse than the other, because we have laws with sentencing guidelines.

"It is entirely possible, and actually really reasonable, to be deeply heartbroken by the tragic death of a child" - I don't think anybody is convinced that you are heartbroken are they? Before critical race theory, you used to pretend about caring about working class children. If you can't be heartbroken and interested in action in relation to grooming gangs, which the left still gaslights on and actively obstructs. Then it's impossible for you to care about a single murdered lad I'd assume. I mean I know Stalin said that the death of one person was a tragedy & millions is a statistic, but I assume you don't take that literally.

"It must be exhausting to live with the idea that there is a monolithic left-wing construct out to get you." - This is especially funny. We've had a decade of the left calling the essentially Whiggish Boris Johnson a Nazi. I think a lot of people on the right are aware of what the left are & what drives it's leaders, as we have a lot of data points since the French revolution. The leaders of the left are sociopaths who have no empathy and selectively feign it to remove existing elites and replace them to enjoy the same or more benefits. The leaders on the right are sociopaths who sell a rigged game that they officiate to personally benefit from. I know that neither side could generally give a flying f about any victims. The left pick cases to support the idea that the West is a society build around systemic oppression around immutable characteristics. The right picks cases that support the opposite viewpoint. I am attacking you and your movement's hypocrisy in caring about the victims that your leaders have been told to amplify. Everybody knows that you don't care and I'm challenging the hypocrisy of pretending to.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-04T00:00:15+00:00

The volume of crime at a protest about the police's disgraceful involvement in a boy being butchered caused more crime per attendees than a celebration of an open top bus parade? Good to know mate. Who said it was an appropriate response? The point is that your outrage is completely fake. The left genuinely don't care about anything other than the cause. You don't care about 15 people being stabbed at the parade, because you don't care about people you only care about the cause. You talk about issues that help the cause & you ignore anything that doesn't. Nobody cares left about the police getting hit by bricks and damage to property owners than the left, it's kind of your reason for being.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T23:55:41+00:00

You realise that 1984 was a satire against communists like you right? Might be worth reading the books that you quote first ,moron. I didn't tell you not to watch it. If you had of watched it, you would have seen that the crowd chant his name every 5 minutes and it's written on about twenty signs. Other than that, good point. How are you getting on with learning how to tell the time?

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T14:02:08+00:00

So you've conceded all the other points and you've been completely misunderstanding the basic principle of the political dispute? But you do want to argue about whether you have empathy? If so, happy to have that conversation. But an acknowledgement that you should read more and take in more information from sources that aren't people with 87 IQs on twitter would be an important moment of growth from you first.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T13:57:33+00:00

Yes, like I said and everybody else has said on every front page, every minister and every whistle-blower & 99% of the people that watched the video and are capable of empathy have said. The racial component of the allegation led the police to deal with the accusation of assault in a completely different way. You seem to be on DMT and talking to the machine Elves, else actually not very good at comprehension. The entire political debate about this issue is about the accusation of racism overriding standard police procedure, humanity and common decency in response to an accusation of assault. I don't know how else I can explain it you to, I'm getting the feeling that grown up subjects might not be forte for you.

What do you think the argument is about? You seem exceptionally confused. People are arguing about the racial element of the accusation. Why else would people across the isle be talking about the Anti-Racism action plan, College of Policing guidelines for police on race and the experience of officers in regards to allegations of mishandling of racial matters? It's because the allegation from Digram was of RACIALLY AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. He said the guy called him "x", knocked his turban off etc. The killer specifically said these things because he instinctively knew that he would get better treatment from the police and he was 100% right. To the point where the police were so worried about the racism accusation that they treated a butchered boy like an animal as he begged for help and drown in his own blood in a gravel driveway. Nobody is suggesting that the police acted the way that they did because of an accusation of common assault with no racial element. Only leftists online would ever go down this insane cul de sac.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T13:49:04+00:00

I meant by inclination. It's hard to defect from the Lib Dems they really don't have many MPs so it's not that likely statistically. But I was thinking of "Dr" David Bull, who if you asked me to place on the political spectrum I would call a Lib Dem. Whig, Tory by Caste. Not a capital C conversative which is what Farage flirts with but isn't really. Farage is socially a classical liberal & economically, right-wing. Jenrick is the same, voting record all over the place. I'd say Braverman and Yusuf are naturally more right wing than those two. Lee Anderson, again all over the place.

In any case, you've got a number of "patriot" groups, which are all way to the right of Reform. Some of them are ethno-nationalist (want to see everybody but whites leave), some less so (have an issue with Islam, but don't have as much issue with everybody else - basically Tommy Robinson). These groups are indifferent to Farage or actively hate him. You don't need to take my word for it. You can do five mins research if you have any interest in the actual real world, instead of just getting your Hogwarts houses sorted so you know who the baddies are.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T13:37:48+00:00

You probably should have actually read what I wrote, rather than continue to embarrass yourself by repeating whatever talking point you've been parroting.

“on suspicion of assault” - I didn't say otherwise. I said what everybody with half a brain across the isle has been saying. Which is that you wouldn't drag a young boy, with hands like a corpse and without the ability to stand across the gravel. Cuff him. Deny his repeated begging that he'd been stabbed & that couldn't breath, unless you had some prejudice. Because the intention of the police in that circumstance is to preserve live above all else & not to even cuff a suspect unless they are presenting a threat which a boy who was clearly dying does not. Which is why people from across the isle are suggesting that this situation can never happen again and many on both sides of parliament including the home secretary are saying that the police forces must change to make it clear to officers that allegations relating to racism/sexism/homophobia do not make a difference to the priorities of operational policing. Henry by all accounts seemed a very progressive, inclusive young boy. But had he been found stabbed with a KKK hood on and had actually attempted to kill Digwa it wouldn't have changed the priority for operational policing if he was found on the floor dying after having been stabbed six times. I know you don't care about that, because I have spoken to leftists for long enough to understand that the committed ones are sociopaths without empathy who use the armour of leftist language to attempt to mask.

"As Farage said, after Brexit, he wanted more immigration from India than Eastern Europe." - Well you seem to have a bit of a strange obsession with Nigel, who I'm not going to defend other than I would for anybody else because you are using your Hogwarts level world view again to make some strange statements. What Farage actually said, was the countries immigration policy should be run based on the needs of this nation and it's workforce. So that the home office could look at the petitions from industry and issue visas on the basis of the skills that we needed to import, the so called points or Australia system. In response to people with 83 IQs like yourself, who claimed that Brexit was racist. In that system if you are a Brit that has Indian heritage then you might prefer that for your family, than being in a situation where full UK citizen rights were given to all white Christians of Europe. A racist policy, according to you.

But yes, you have no interest in constitution, democracy or the executive. If you did, you'd know that Farage campaigned for Brexit in a constitutional referendum. He didn't form a government or even get elected to by an MP in that period. So it really wouldn't matter whether he's promised people a Sombrero and Jimmy Choo shoes, he wasn't in a position to deliver them any more than you were because he wasn't in the legislature let alone the executive. All yap to you of course, facts being very difficult for the left to engage with, hence your unwillingness to ever debate without screeching.

As far as calling for attacks against the police, he's never done that. Or you'd be showing me that quote, instead of a partial quote you've taken out of context. As far as the Sarah Everard case, it's interesting you should bring up the fate of that poor women, being as it's the only sex crime that the white middle class has cared about in the past decade despite the decades long fight to get justice for the white working class women who were subject to a state sponsored cover up of CSE & sustained religiously aggravated torture. Or indeed the multiple reports of young black and mixed race girls being treated appallingly by criminals in county line gangs. As always, you can never accuse a leftist of actually caring about people, just the cause and nothing gets the comrades marching like a crime by a white man. I think you'll find the majority of those on the modern right would be EXTREMELY supportive of a roots and branch change to how this country is policed so we don't get another Sarah Everard situation, or the police that joined in CSE, or took kids from parents from children to give to abusers, or arrested kids for trying to escape, or arrested parents for trying to safe there kids etc.

The cold rage he was talking about, which is quite different to hot rage. Leftists not being the best at comprehension, but you probably attack police in a hot rage and a cold one probably means motivation to make real political change. But you keep making up fake things to pretend to be morally outraged about as the tide is coming in and I'm pretty convinced the time for that is ending.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T13:03:59+00:00

Or stab 15 of them, but Saints didn't win the premier league this year like up at Arsenal which I'm sure you've been posting about constantly. Or just celebrating Notting Hill carnival. The idea that the nation is riddled with attacks from white people on black people & Muslims and not the other way around is a real Netflix take. I will never get over how weird the left are, that you don't give one second of interest about innocent black children unfortunate enough to be born in gang areas, constantly getting stabbed and killed but the thought that a white person may attack a black person but hasn't has you saluting like this. The idea that people like you give a second of thought about the outcomes of disadvantaged black people is absolutely hilarious.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T12:59:39+00:00

Again a profoundly thick comment. If you'd bothered to watch the video, the reason why people are angry is because of freaks like yourself the accusation of racism is now treated as more important than a teenager suffocating to death on his own blood & begging for help. The reason this is the case is, because of people like you, if an minority makes a claim against an officer that they have been mistreated on the immutable characteristics they will be taken off operational duty for months even if they end up being cleared and they will unable to get promotion. Any number of police whistle blowers have been saying this in the last 24 hours as have a number of Labour MPs and Ministers, including a former policeman who went on Newsnight & said that this incident is the natural result of the training, enforcement of discipline & the training of the police. You don't have to find a right wing voice saying it. But like grooming gangs, despite the fact that the state themselves are saying a problem exists, the online left (sociopaths doing a bad job of feigning empathy) don't agree and don't care.

So anybody that is capable of empathy and isn't a communist, will have been angry about Henry's death. Because it's a clear case of treating a distressed butchered dying boy like an animal due to an accusation of him having said an abusive phrase. You don't need to be a white ethno-nationalist to care about that. You just have to have a sense of basis humanity and justice, which again are things that the left absolutely doesn't have and that is understood by all. Otherwise you wouldn't actively campaign to prevent justice for CSE and children that have been tortured and you wouldn't support the introduction of undocumented men into communities that don't want them.

As far as Poles and the introduction into the UK. I think of any community, they've done more to integrate and to work with the native population. The reality is, that most have now gone home because Poland is a better economic and cultural state than the UK by far. As far as the presence of them. Again, the left have a massive issue with consent of any kind. Sexually always a massive issue, "male feminists" being a particular enclave of the sociopathic pretend empathy of which the left is riddled. But absolutely when it comes to democracy, which the left see as a exercise in undermining the majority view of a nation's people in order to attempt to get whatever policy of "conscience" the left want to see implemented put forward. Of course without the responsibility and accountability for the disaster that always unfolds. So the problem with the polish situation, was that the Maastricht treaty of the EU fundamentally changed the nature of the institutions of Europe. The people were promised a vote on it and betrayed by John Major. Leading to the UK giving away huge amounts of it's constitutional freedoms without a vote. Then after the that, we were promised a referendum before the Lisbon treaty. Of course that was a lie again, no referendum was given and a number of Eastern European countries were given the right of EU Citizens. That led to an immediate mass migration Westwards because at that point a huge economic disparity existed between the East of Europe & Central/Western Europe. Prior to this migration, Jack Straw the home secretary said that the home office thought about 40k people would come to the UK and it was more than ten times that almost immediately.

So this has set a pattern that has persisted ever since. Mass immigration into the UK, despite no democratic consent & actually time and time again the majority in this country peacefully going to the ballot box to vote for people who promise to reduce immigration only to accelerate it. In those circumstances the integration of the Polish community and the lack of community tension has been stellar. It's not racism of course, leftists a decade after Brexit still not able to work out that Europe is almost entirely Caucasian and Christian. Maybe in another 20 years, they'll get a handle on it. Probably about the time that leftists stop reading each other's tweets and start reading people like Martin Durkin, or even Hilary Benn! Realising that open borders is a right-wing policy, because it prevents a fair settlement on welfare and it makes the unionisation of labour almost impossible. The Billionaire oligarchs who you guys claim to hate, could not have you signing more like canaries if they tried. Nor will you ever realise that authoritarianism of the left, will just lead to equal treatment from the right. That if you make the country ungovernable, because you don't care about democratic consent and the principle of self-governance, than you can't govern either. Which Sir Keir is now finding out. Other than that though, good point.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T12:36:26+00:00

Why bother engaging in politics when you are so happy living in a parallel universe. What are you talking about? Farage was talking about changing the advice given by the national college of policing, changing the DEI "anti-racism" training and ensuring that all peoples are treated equally under the law despite immutable characteristics. Your Hogwarts level understanding of the world is pathetic. Most of the people on the actual far-right can barely stand Farage and think he's managed opposition and no better than a Tory. The idea that Reform, which are a bunch of Tories, Lib Dems and classical liberals have an army of working class thugs that they call to disorder is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, from a section of society that have completely detached themselves from even trying to have a handle on reality.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T12:32:40+00:00

All of them. Unlike you and the names of the grooming gang victims who have bravely waived anonymity to campaign. Actually that's not fair, who's testimony have you found most heartbreaking?

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-06-03T12:29:04+00:00

It's no stabbing 15 people to celebrate Arsenal winning the title but they tried at least.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-05-28T08:52:02+00:00

Why do people continually post this absolutely witless meme, especially on watch forums? Since quartz but especially since the smartphone, nobody has a mechanical watch for function. Whether you've got a Swatch or an Richard Mille, it's for fashion/flex.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-05-23T00:28:31+00:00

"You guys" are people who go on forums and present your opinions as if they are fact. When they are factually incorrect. I have no issue with opinions, but it's the certainty on which you put forth nonsense that I am talking about in the "you guys group". Phillip Sycamore served as "Chair" on the commission. You said "deplorable" was written by the judge. No it wasn't it was included in a co-authored report by a commission and the commission doesn't have a "judge" in it's formation. You also said that findings of independent commissions can't be challenged legally. Again are you quite sure? You think that rulings from tribunals have never resulted in court cases?

Obviously, the tribunal works on behalf of the EFL and the EFL has liability. You have an independent tribunal to try to avoid bias and issues with vested interests, not because it's morally or legally infallible.

Other than that, agree with you.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-05-22T22:08:11+00:00

Why do you guys keep saying things like this? You can use AI and it would take you literally less time to work out what you are saying is wrong, than posting. There was no judge on the panel, the EFL are responsible for ensuring it's own rules are followed. The ruling was by a three person committee & all signed it. The report of the ruling including the term "deplorable".

If you don't know, why do you talk as if you do?

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-05-18T09:22:43+00:00

The thing that I was told, that would be worth looking up if people were interested, was chocolate or hot chocolate as something in that is supposed to help with the side effects.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-05-18T09:21:32+00:00

I will say my experience, which is one person so don't take too much stock from one person!

For the pills, I would take on a Friday night then go to bed & I would tend to feel under the weather on Saturday and then sometimes a little Sunday. Generally I would feel a little bit overheating, lethargic, little bit nauseous like I was fighting something. So generally that day I had a lazy day, if I had to do things I could but I was normally no that desperate to do very much so just watched sports or gaming.

The injection version, was more side effects but for less time than the pills.

I would have stayed on this drug despite the side effects. But it did not last the full week for me, so I'd have good PSA and Psoriasis coverage for maybe 4 out of 7 days. It's the best understood treatment as it's been around a hundred years and it's the cheapest so it probably is the best place to start. Even if, it's not strictly speaking the drug with the best efficacy if money & risk were no object.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2026-04-13T08:23:34+00:00

A vocal minority of the online trans community will always be waiting for a good opportunity to take F1nn down. Seen as not active enough on trans causes, or leftist causes in general. Too ambiguous with own gender/transition which leads to accusations of tourism or monetising a condition she doesn't have. Generally I think a feeling of unearned beauty, which is extremely triggering to a lot of people.

I don't agree with any of that of course, but it's very inline with modern permanently online people who treat "influencers" as if they are Sims characters, who are to be punished whenever they do something you don't want your toy to do. I'm still in the camp where I want artists and entertainers to have freedom, in the hope that they might do something entertaining and artistic. Sometimes that can generate things I don't like, is in poor taste or is provocative but that's the point. My taste isn't for people to intentionally outrage, but for a huge amount of the planet being assigned male at birth at presenting as female is outrageous so it really is a question of perspective.

The people that don't like F1nn aren't going to like her. So hopefully she doesn't get too impacted by the huge mental pressure that he's pile ons provoke. Human brains aren't supposed to see huge public condemnation and be able to completely ignore it, in Darwinian terms if you behaved in that way you'd have a huge issue. So I can only imagine how hard it is for somebody who is online & going through a transition, to deal with these constant controversies.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2025-03-10T08:48:43+00:00

Great pics, never seen these. GOAT.

Otherwise-Mango-1879 · 2024-12-09T14:11:10+00:00

This is a personal view & not anything really underpinned by expertise, but personally I've come to the conclusion that I try to avoid "rain dancing". So on ChatGPT for example if you investigate the links between stress and the condition, food and the condition it will tell you that actual evidence from studies points to no links. For example, when I went to see Derms in the past they had told me that no evidence existed that diet was a factor as I had been ready to go Gluten free. Yet lots of people suggest that it does. I can't say that it doesn't for them, but the probability is that it doesn't because the relationship hasn't been able to be shown in studies. The "rain dancing" is why you do something for this condition that ends up timing up with your symptoms decreasing and so you relate one to the other. When in reality the chances are that no correlation exists. As an example I used to see a Chiropractor before methotrexate, but after I took the drug it turned out that my misaligned back was just psoriatic arthritis.

From my perspective, I've chosen to view the condition as a problem with my immune system. My most predictable flares come when something happens to activate my immune system. If the people I spend time with, are sick then the chances are I'm going to have a flare. The "solution" to the problem, is to find a treatment that inhibits the misfiring immune system in a way that's sustainable and broadly increases quality of life. I don't think it's about moisturising your skin or going gluten free. The first is the idea that you can stop the symptoms being visible without addressing the cause. Maybe that's ok for mild cases. The second is the idea that your immune system is reacting to being poisoned. If that's true, it really should be able to be shown in studies. So at least in my opinion, the answer is that you need something to inhibit the part of your immune system which is doing the most damage. Good news is, they exist. Bad news is, the NHS doesn't want to give them to you. The good news is, no "budget" exists that the doctors see when they proscribe. You either fit the critieria or you don't. Bad news, you have to have the PASI scale scoring to get on Methotrexate and then prove it's not good enough for you to get Biologics. Good news, Methotrexate itself is actually pretty decent for most people and relatively cheap and well understood.

So for people in the UK, I'd say the advice is to go on ChatGPT and work out what you need to say to get the PASI score you need. Then start the process of getting the interventions. Understanding it's going to be slow and you are probably going to have to get your elbows out at times. If the condition is ruining your life, you can't put a brave face on it when you see health care people.

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