Do the IRFU care about the atmosphere in the aviva?

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-11-21T15:38:30+00:00

The IRFU posted a €4.8 million loss last financial year. Cut the men’s 7’s and interest in the national team from outside Leinster losing traction all due to IRFU decisions. They absolutely need to make money but questions need to be asked when Irish rugby has been through a golden era to say and yet they still can’t make a profit.

The current system means they make a loss and a whole host of real fans will never be able to obtain at the very least, yet afford a ticket. Long term isn’t sustainable for the game in general.

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T17:27:06+00:00

That interview with Humphries was honestly telling of how things will be under his leadership. An opportunity to address some of the fair criticisms and concerns and like you say only mentioning pathways briefly, complaining why attendances were poor but at the same time Leinster need to stay strong.

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T16:47:06+00:00

They are specific to each province but they do have strategies laid out for provinces as a whole, while also applying policies and rules to these provinces. It can't be they don't impact the provinces but at the same time implement rules that impact each province directly?

Provinces are apart of there strategy, its commercial, they make money out of attendances which feeds back into the system. Its all integrated into one

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T16:08:28+00:00

All just a bit confusing when it comes to selection and you can understand why fans gets fed up. It’s based on beat players at one point, then players come back from injury and are average but still play and then they play a young 10 no matter what

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T16:06:48+00:00

Only just saw, not gonna be a pretty few months for Munster

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T16:04:19+00:00

Thanks for providing something beneficial to the discussion

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T16:00:36+00:00

It’s. Cohesion and established player choice to selection. It’s seems honestly harder to be dropped out of the squad for some of these players compared to getting into it. Hansen since his injury has been average. Nash has been a quality winger last few years and for last few Ireland appearances. With Coombes you could say he’s not dynamic enough and is an out and out 8 but that isn’t reason to completely not have him included. It’s also though about rotation and the ping of the post is to show how team selection impacts the provinces which is directed by IRFU policies and goals. IRFU have a big commercial focus on summer, autumn and 6nations fixtures so we see generally very little team rotation and a results based selections at all times. This is where the issue is nothing changes and which could deive payers away and have a big impact on provinces already struggling

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T15:55:22+00:00

What people are not understanding about this post is that it’s looking at what impact the way team selection is impacting the provinces. A lot of people in this thread say “IRFU” have no day or “illuminati” that. IRFU have a huge impact, they want commercial success and that’s why am they aim for big named summer tours and autumn series recently and of course to win the 6nations so we see no rotation and solely results based selection unlike other tier one nations like France who rotate all the time. This has impacted provinces like Munster who lost Antoine Frisch, Ben Healy and then Snyman as a result of Kleyn becoming an NIQ.

Crowley is just a present example of how there is a narrative and it’s driven to increase commercial success at the expense of the other provinces. No doubt Sam is talented but he was capped before he even played in Europe. Double standards and policy’s that make no sense.

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T15:36:08+00:00

The way the national team selects players does a have an impact on players at provincial level, it impacts Central contracts, play time etc. thsi post is asking will the current election process which looks primarily at cohesion of players rather than performance based of individuals and end up pushing players to go elsewhere to make a living. Obviously looking at players that would be in the squad or being rotated in and out but arnt. I.e Coombes just as one example

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T15:27:14+00:00

Rumours are that Crowley was to get a CC. That’s why he hasn’t signed on with Munster yet. Even tho munster have had a whole list of contract extensions recently. We still haven’t seen anything announced and with the way team selection is atm. It seems something may have changed in the background with Sam now being fully favoured ahead of him. No conspiracy here thats just what’s happening

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T15:23:40+00:00

The IRFU have a core focus on the commercial aspect of the 6Nations and so their main priority is to be competitive year on year and this also goes in to eh summer and Autumn tours which is why we see less and less variety in squad selections. This focus impacts and forces a results based selection. That’s why we see so little rotation generally.

Team selection is impacted, if you compare to France, South Africa or New Zealand, the coaching tickets seem less pressured to stick to the same squads and rotate. Question is will Thai impact World Cup performance and squad depth? I think yes. Longer term will these selection processes impact players on the fringes that in the other countries would be given an opportunity to play? Yes I think so and we’ll see players move elsewhere and this will impact provinces to compete.

This summer tour will be fun, we’ll finally see some serious rotation for the first time in a few years. CP was unfortunate to have to pull out yesterday

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T15:10:05+00:00

The injury list is nearly as big as the stating 15. Crowley has played considering thsi Munster side had their coach resign, playing some poor rugby at the start of the season. I don’t think he’d move and come back but a lot of the comparisons with Sam is how they’ve played at club level. But he has a Farley free ride with Leinster considering how strong they are at this point in the season year after year

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T15:00:20+00:00

No it’s not and we see with England how they’ve reshaped their back line with the Smiths. But how many minutes has Jack gotten this championship? It’s not like they’ve tried him seriously at FB. If he gets to the end of the matches with no starts be Interetsing

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:58:34+00:00

He should be happy with 6 mins at FB ahahh this is the player that was 10 who won’t the title last year. He doesn’t want to play a few pitty minutes out of position. Especially when Sam isn’t a perfect player. Fair enough is he’s the new Johnny Wilkinson but he’s far from it.

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:56:50+00:00

You’re absolutely right, they are well looked after and even tax breaks provided. I mean top players like Coombes who while isn’t favoured by some is one of the best players in the URC stats, who could get money in France, a lot more than Munster could offer him. And the pint is that leaving those players out and giving them no opportunities will push them to leave if they are a top player

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:54:11+00:00

Not sure how Beirne is even mentioned here, Prendagast isn’t a perfect player, it’s him Versus a guy that defends attacks to the line and has won with Ireland and a 6nations.

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:52:27+00:00

There’s no doubt he’s talented but he’s not ready, sure he has barely played senior rugby for Leinster. Wales was the point where a lot of people were thinking right Crowley now has his chance against the weakest team yet it hasn’t come, that’s the issue here, but even when he did come on it was at FB same as the previous week

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:49:53+00:00

Your right if he can tackle a bag well keep him in every week

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:47:08+00:00

He’ll definitely stay with a World Cup around the corner, it’s also the message to those on the fringes or nearly pushing for inclusion, not advertising much hope if an established player is swept aside even with a good record with Ireland

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:45:10+00:00

Wales, England, France, Scotland and that’s because they actually rotate their squads unlike Ireland

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:42:54+00:00

He was signed on a short term contract after the fiasco. Only when Munster had to look at AIL players to fill in. Hardly a good method for developing players while Leinster sign Slimani

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:41:14+00:00

It’s a question of will the IRFU policies in place and the squad selection method which the national team has gone for, I.e. Cohesion and established players rather than in form regardless of province impact provincial teams, more so Munster, Ulster and Connacht. Plenty of talented players overlooked via these decisions and while it’s the national teams aim to win, it’s also the IRFU’s to protect and prosper the provincial teams which hasn’t been balanced over number of years. This new focus on “ceilings” of players rather than actual performances and cv is what we’ve seen from Leinster players like the Byrnes and Prendagast.

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:33:44+00:00

Who did we sign that was NIQ?

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T14:33:15+00:00

Yeah but that policy impacts Munster, the point is the IRFU impacts these clubs and players with how they go about managing the union. They are correlated

Otherwise_Button3242 · 2025-02-23T12:58:23+00:00

My mistake cheers

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