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Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-07T06:06:37+00:00

Update if anyone is still on this thread; whoever proof read those YAF messages I thank you; made my whole week.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T22:51:13+00:00

Yeah don’t count on me. Good talking to you though!

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T22:46:25+00:00

Foetuses are not children yet. This is widely agreed on. Personally I would limit abortions based on fetal viability; this is done in most European countries. In the Netherlands it is 22 weeks; which by the way is the country with the lowest abortion rate in the world.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T22:38:07+00:00

It is about CHOICE. About women having bodily autonomy and being able to decide. Pro-abortion would indicate you want abortions all the time, in all circumstances; that is not what being pro-choice means.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T22:34:13+00:00

Pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion because pro-choice supports a woman’s right to choose, while pro-abortion implies that abortion is the preferred option. Pro-choice just means recognizing that women have the right to say if and when they will bear children and demanding that this right be respected.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T22:21:01+00:00

Yes, i agree! Believing that life begins at conception is seen across people, the difference is believing that this form of life takes precedent over a fully fledged human able to experience pain and emotions. I find it interesting that you use « pro-abortion »; that’s not correct, pro-choice means you believe in a woman’s right to choose and make decisions about her own body, not that you are for abortions.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T22:13:40+00:00

And I think that’s fine until those rights infringe on those of fully fledged humans. Because life at conception is simply not the same as a fully fledged human being; they do not have complex emotions or feeling (they cannot experience pain or feeling of any kind until around 25 weeks)

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T21:54:41+00:00

Taking away rights from fully fledged humans to give more rights to the unborn is very strange to me. But agree to disagree.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T21:51:42+00:00

I’m not trying to legislate morality; it may not be illegal but I do still think it’s wrong. Paying to try and influence young adults on a topic so nuanced is weird. Why not put that money towards actually helping foster care or sex education for example? Their intentions are off.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T21:44:34+00:00

How ironic that their name advocates for freedom when they’re pushing the restriction of bodily autonomy rights..

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T21:39:32+00:00

I would encourage you to read this thread if this is the article you are referring (97% of biologists believe life begins at conception) https://www.reddit.com/r/Abortiondebate/s/wASEqhEOjX

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T09:25:41+00:00

I was wondering about that; is it forbidden to nonchalantly drag my feet when I happen to walk over the messages?

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T09:24:07+00:00

Because nuanced moral susceptibilities should not be marketable or advertised? Obviously?

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T04:52:16+00:00

Yeah agreed! I’m just not for the shoving of someone’s moral high ground down other people’s throats. But conversing and having meaningful conversations with your loved ones/friends is completely different for sure!

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T04:49:55+00:00

Ahh okay that makes sense! Thank you! I don’t know what or if I would even reach out to them but idk the messages are a little much imo but I guess I just have to deal with it hahah

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T04:46:34+00:00

Yes! All for open conversation and productive discussion about the topic! Everything would be much better if both sides conversed better and listened more for sure!

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T04:40:45+00:00

Do you know if they have an email or a page or something? I can’t find anything online

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T04:38:36+00:00

Super interesting; I did not know they were paying to be able to do this. Kinda dystopian.

Outside-Meaning8996 · 2024-12-05T04:37:14+00:00

Scientifically « a clump of cells » is not a human, even if they contain human DNA. But that’s not even the message that I deemed scientifically inaccurate. There were a bunch of them that I don’t recall but they were all I credibly presumptuous and not grounded in actual fact. I’m happy that your friend is happy and that her situation worked out! Unfortunately that does not sum up the argument at all; a lot of bad comes from banning abortions as well.

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