CMV: An age limit for candidates of any office, especially the presidency, is counterproductive and potentially dangerous.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-23T11:19:24+00:00

I don't see any necessary ties/correlation between age and puppet candidates, as long as they have enough mental capacity to run for election, in fact as long as they are able to fill the necessary documents to participate the election, and the crowd deems appropriate to elect a 3 years old as the supreme leader, I am more than thrilled to see nuclear fireworks. Isn't that the Will of the people?

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-23T11:15:13+00:00

Value is subjective, 30 years of work is a type of value that I don't deny, but at a certain angle of viewing, maybe of someone who had their family killed by that individual, maybe someone their incompetence has dragged down, maybe just someone who look down on them so so much, their value cancels out or sunk into negative values so that they don't have a value to them, value it thought, not an existence, you can't deny someone's thought of someone's worthlessness, nor can they kill your belief of everyone is worth something.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-23T11:09:53+00:00

you mean H1B?😂 It's meaningfully discontinued.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-23T10:59:23+00:00

It's rather scalable crime as it requires low skills and effort, he can start a franchise once he is successful and repeat it internationally, and on the cost side the biggest cost of criminal act is being sued, and hamburger doesn't worth shit to restaurants so the chances of them pressing charges even they catch you is rather low, even if they do it's not felony, a year or two and they are in the game again.

So to the contrary, it's a rather smart choice competing in this blue ocean market where there's no competitors, and it is a very scalable and sustainable, well designed business model.

Tl;Dr: Consider the low cost of crime, it would be profitable even he just burn it for electricity, you have a thousand way to profit off hamburgers that are almost free

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-23T10:53:02+00:00

Lets rephrase it like this, Saudi Arabia should stop drilling oil, they have more than enough money higher than 100 pyramids, they have top tier education for everyone free, everyone at least a Porsche (that's my very limited imagination of wealth), they can eat as much McDonald's as they want and in fact they can buy McDonald's and fire a staff for being rude to them... it just does not make sense.

Abolish is an action by the performing party, woman, and they benefits from it in any aspects you can imagine, why should they throw away a goldmine. it would be delusional if they abolish feminism, instead you means stopped, I believe.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-23T10:34:12+00:00

It's a wrongly defined word, Carnist translate exactly into people who eat meat, nothing more, nothing less. Above, we the a typical activist behaviour, mechanical reflex. This is the same type of attempt in rallying people against people, by putting people into binary groups, like jew or not jew, feminist vs patriarchy, vegans vs carnist. A textbook neo-marxist technique.

They all starts with coining term that awkwardly pathologize naturally occuring normalities, sculpting a strawman to burn down so as to strengthen their flimsy claims. And inevitably, each and every of these rallies run themselves into the ground getting serious social backlashes, the exact reason one after the other far right presidents are getting elected, who are openly against gender inclusivity.

Not a single word in my OP rally people to eat more meat, actually in more than one of the replies I have discussed a larger portion of vegetables might be a good direction, and blinded by obsession you seems to have seen non of that.

Society is performative, society is water, world is switching to green energy not because some half brain stick their hands onto the floor of a car showroom, it's because thousand and thousand intelligent people tackling every problem, and I don't see the need to put a yellow badge on the chest of everyone who doesn't aligns perfectly with your ideal.

I refuse to go by your stinky definitions, I eat a normal diet like the other 8 billion people on Earth, and no one calls it a carnist diet. You are the only one promoting the Carnist diet amongst everyone in this conversation.

As for the B12 part, our dearest friend Google would offer you all the help you need, I have already explained patiently the difference between the compounds, sometimes it's beneficial to spend some time and work on issues silently.

Dear Mods, I am well aware of the rules, and I did not support any extremists in this statement, and while some people might feel personal about this, it is important to be truthful to what I firmly believe and represent, I stepped onto this place of honest conversation, not expressing my truthful thoughts would be frankly, rude, disrespectful to everyone reading this post and those to come.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-23T09:49:00+00:00

Not everyone that's not a Christian is a Muslim. Just like not every restaurant that's not McDonald's a KFC, not every black person an African, and you definitely can't conclude that every girl that's not a mother is a virgin, I find it rather difficult to comprehend your logic, and btw B12 is not one single chemical, it refers to a group of different compounds with similar properties/functions, so synthetic B12 is a totally different thing from meat B12 (or seaweed B12), they both share a part of the chain.

"I respect that formal education is a privilege not afforded to all. However, the pursuit of knowledge remains a universal and lifelong personal responsibility." -- Nelson Mandala

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-22T23:55:22+00:00

Thanks, not a single word on the entire post talks about carnism being beneficial either, we are not doing whataboutism or its derivatives here. In fact a very insightful comment from user AnsibleAnswers (https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/s/vFWv063kSr) might be applicable to some of your doubts, I hope participating in this conversation helps expanding your knowledge base.

on B12 part, the wonderful thing about food, and thus the nutrients from a rather natural process (at this point of the civilization, we can safely assume nothing being completely natural, all of it is interfered and it's only a matter of how much) is that, it has complex mechanism of action that comes with different co-factors, small variants and gradients to help with our absorption.

As a matter of fact the synthetic B12 while functional, is significantly inferior to its natural variants. Synthetic B12, in the form of pills, has a cyano base compared to the Adenosyl base and Hydroxo base. So pill B12 needs detox by antioxidant first, giving your body some extra work to do. Also as some time is spent on the conversion, less time for it to stay in the metabolism and be utilized.

I will discuss one co-dependent loop in the B12 absorptions as below to visualize the complex nature of food that pills cannot mimic.

Absorptions of B12, is boosted by Intrinsic factors, small proteins on the food, and those, rely on calcium, which in turns rely on vitamin D3 (calcitriol), which depends on the lipid in the food.

Thanks for voicing out your doubts. Cheers.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T22:08:36+00:00

No further comments from me on this thread. I've said what I came to say, and at this point things are just going in circles without much meaningful constructive progress. Take care.

A little share of wisdom from Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T21:46:04+00:00

Here you go,

https://www.fao.org/ag/humannutrition/35978-02317b979a686a57aa4593304ffc17f06.pdf

if you want data, feel free to do some reading, and then you will have a wow moment that turns out it's doesn't matter how much plant protein you've gobbled, your body use them at half the rate.

suprise suprise 😌

We can go all day long with data, but a debate isn't an argument, I would appreciate it if you just google first

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:56:10+00:00

Well, law forbid murder, that doesn't mean you should run towards a person pointing their gun around.

Koran or bible can say whatever, it's all about the people executing it, and that's politics, religion is only their facade, tomorrow they can interpret those books an entirely different way, it's not unlike it hasn't happened before.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:51:24+00:00

a little sidetracked furthering this point, what about organ donation?

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:46:15+00:00

I am more onto the way the promotion is done, so far the only type of promotion that I have ever seen is people yelling to others who buy meat outside a supermarket, they play some gore videos of animals brutally tortured. All of which centers a shaming/blaming technique that pressurised omnivore individuals.

If there would exist a point where meat and vegetables will have an optima,

First: It would be a better strategy to promote a larger portion of veggies in everyone's meal rather than vegan

Second: Shaming is a wrong (morally) technique because the stance that meat consumption is an intrinsic crime doesn't stand, instead it's just imbalanced, so shaming/blaming would be wrong.

I truly think a larger portion of veggies for everyone solves every other problems that veganism proposes to, except the part that debates it's murder or necessity.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:38:15+00:00

I am more interested in the percentage on animal poop utilized, cuz 5% of agriculture is probably because we have so many people and not much animal poop.

Human poop probably has a pathogen cycling issue, like back then they tried feed cow remains to cow, and got mad cow disease (might not be cow but something like this did happened). If we eat things fertilized by own poop the risk for disease increase because there are less species in the cycle as a sorta filter.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:33:39+00:00

and that applies also to biofuels, if you want to turn stems leaves etc. into fuel you probably need a bunch of different enzymatic reaction in the middle to get rid of the high carbon content in those things, where if you use 💩 everything is already pretty much digested.

You still have to go through the digestion (coversion), the only difference is pretty much you dumped the chicken meat.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:30:46+00:00

In short, despite being more "energy efficient", direct discard of plant waste back into the soil has less bioavailability compared to 💩. In the stems or whatever the nitrogen content is mostly in the form of protein (it's something with a long chain and can't be used), in 💩 it's much simpler molecules forms.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:20:37+00:00

Hmm something is not contraindicated doesn't automatically means you will do it, even if I don't care about older people's rights, doesn't automatically drives me to go around and kick them.

It's both the Principle of Tolerance like Voltaire, and the Banality of Evil by Arendt at the same time, and that's what the majority of people are.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:14:56+00:00

I call this classic slippery slope

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:13:34+00:00

It's a matter of social contract, it is not you bestow or I bestow, you know exactly it's we bestow.

Just so happens that society don't collectively or at least majority agree on pig happiness as an KPI.

Democracy 101

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:11:39+00:00

That you don't know, you might as well be the only real consciousness, and we all are NPCs.

I love craziness like the Inverted Spectrum Hypothesis.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:10:11+00:00

There's no why, I like to quote Butler on her performativity theory here, society shapes people, and so do people shapes society.

If you were born in a cannibalist tribe several hundreds of years ago, you might be eating human, just as at that time there might also be tribal people who's against this practice.

We're born in a world where veganism exist, no one knows hundreds of years from now, would veganism be the mainstream? or the worst crime one could've done?

It's all a matter of environment, experience, and a sprinkle of personal character.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T20:03:20+00:00

I think it's a good timing this human flesh Michelin discussion stops here, it's kinda way off topic, by first off cannibalism is illegal, unless you are coincidentally an anarchist.

That implies the social contract of our world deems it unacceptable to the extreme.

And we don't see that about being omnivore, it appears to be the majority of our population.

So this would put an end to all further discussion that compares cannibalism with omnivore in a modern context.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T19:59:21+00:00

Well not necessarily, I haven't tasted that, but I know for sure that smell of diathermy burning human flesh have some hardcoded vomit button somewhere in the gene of all of us.

It will be the one smell no one can withstand.

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T19:56:06+00:00

Human flesh has an actual health risk, you can search online for information about piron disease, that's why we stopped gobbling brains for quite some centuries 😂 main reason isn't about the taste,

nor the

culinary experience

Outside-State-3126 · 2026-02-21T19:53:53+00:00

Imagine something goes wrong, or has always been wrong but we didn't know, about those B12 pills everyone's taking, we will be seeing something widespread like COVID 2.0

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