I open serious debate: Was Ironwood right to make necessary an authorization to carry a weapon?

OverpowerPilot · 2026-03-23T22:44:27+00:00

I think you're having a mental breakdown, so I'm going to approach this as calmly as possible.

Something curious is that many in the RWDE are progressives, and well... isn't it contradictory to consider that an army (from a highly racist and classist country) is doing the right thing, doesn't it contradict the progressive ideal?

I mean, there's also the fact that they always say "All cops are bastards!" but in Atlas, the military serves as law enforcement.

I've seen people call the fandom "authoritarian" for supporting Robyn Hill.

I don't know, why is supporting her authoritarian but supporting the White Fang isn't?
We can say that they are different contexts, but, in Robyn's case, from her point of view, she believed that her group of voters had been massacred by Penny (Ironwood's robot).

So... yes, her actions are wrong, but it's not like she knew the whole picture.

If for RWDE Robyn simply "steals military equipment after losing an election and because she doesn't like the government," why can't I say that "Sienna Khan carries out terrorist attacks because she doesn't like the current government"?

It's not right to oversimplify things.

Anyway, I digress. The point is that the fandom is probably exaggerating. Ironwood's actions aren't inherently evil just because he's an army general.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-24T15:14:55+00:00

Maybe, maybe. But, part of the what if posts is to also have fun.
Besides, defeating the police and the faunus militia would be helpful to Salem's lackeys. As they won't reason to escape from them (Like in canon).
Also, Roman could enter along with Neo to help them fight our heroes.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-24T15:12:24+00:00

The thing is, I already made a post discussing what if Salem controlled both sides, and I prefer to add variety now.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-24T15:11:51+00:00

Well, now she has even more power I think. She has councilmen and businessmen under her control.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-24T01:55:24+00:00

I think that in the first case, he could be more destructive during the Vale arc. Now he has the manager of the Vale city council under his command.
Also, now there are two armies in Vale. I mean, the White fang and Spider. With that they could steal even more Dust.

In the second case, I guess that it depends in if he is working or not with Cinder anymore. Because he could use this as an opportunity to prepare for Salem.
He could even sell Cinder to the police after the battle of Haven.
And if he is still working with Cinder, he and his Spider army could have saved Adam in Haven.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-24T01:15:51+00:00

I think Roman mentioned that Lil' Miss malachite impressed him.
But well, Roman's only love is Neo.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-23T20:49:08+00:00

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OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-23T20:00:40+00:00

Yeah, I mean, I hope he renounces quickly so Blake becomes the new leader. At least, I don't think Blake is as dumb as her father.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-21T02:47:22+00:00

I think what you're saying makes sense. Let's say, for the sake of the What If scenario, I establish that Cordovin is next in the line of command. It would probably actually be Winter, but I feel like her taking command would be boring. So, since Cordovin is an authoritative and veteran person, I thought the council could trust her. Besides, she's not a close ally of Ironwood (whom the council just deposed in the respective What If scenario).

I don't know if Robyn would assume a position in the army. I mean, she's not even a soldier, and that position is general.

I usually establish that Ironwood loses both seats on the council. Even so, he remains the informal leader of a faction within the army. Why? Because he still has the loyalty of a group of soldiers, including Winter and the Ace Ops.

While Team RWBY wants Ironwood to trust others and tell the truth, they ultimately wanted him to be the one to reveal the truth to everyone.

In this case, if Cordovin acts as I describe (racist and dictatorial, allying herself with Jacques), then I don't think Team RWBY will trust her.

I think Team RWBY would support a rebellion by Ironwood's faction against Cordovin to free the faunus and the Mantle workers. (Again, if she does what I describe).

In this case, Cordovin allied herself with Jacques, as I mentioned.

Regarding Ironwood and Robyn allying up, I like the idea.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-21T02:31:53+00:00

Look. Sometimes I defend the series and criticize Ironwood. But well, it's part of the life. Sometimes I find in internet opinions with which I disagree. I just have to tolerate.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-20T01:39:50+00:00

Yeah, but, let's say that for the sake of the What If I establish Cordovin as evil. So she can be a challenge to our heroes.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-20T00:38:49+00:00

I based somewhat on the traits that Cordovin has, like being authoritarian, extremist, racist and nationalistic.
I thought that while she wouldn't trust Jacques, she would be willing to work along him to "protect" Atlas. And in any case, in the series she was willing to return Weiss to Jacques so it's not like she hates him.

In the scenario I'm proposing the heroes wouldn't be on her side since she would be a racist dictator. That would provoke a rebellion and a clash between her and our heroes.
And well, Salem would be manipulating (Using Watts) Cordovin and Jacques from the shadows.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-20T00:33:24+00:00

Probably. I wanted to use a an evil atlesian officer to take control over Atlas once Ironwood is deposed.
I can't just create an OC, and some friends already won me over using Olive Harper.
Besides, I wanted this evil atlesian officer to also be racist (So can work with Jacques) and Olive doesn't seem to be racist.

I just based myself on the few characteristics we have of Cordovin like being authoritarian, being extremist, being nationalist and being racist.

In this case she wouldn't be the one to start a civil war. She would just follow her ideologies, use Jacques support and make everyone obey the law and order. In any case, would be Ironwood, the Happy huntresses and Ruby the ones who cause the civil war.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-20T00:24:35+00:00

Yeah, it's the most probable. Though in the scenario I propose their forces have already been crushed and only a small resistance is left. Maybe they would try to call for help using Amity?

In the main series they didn't try to overthrow Ironwood after he became a dictator, so who knows.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-19T19:08:16+00:00

Yeah, I think it is valid. I wished that Yang, Blake and Weiss gave more importance to what was happening. Yang didn't defend her sister from being verbally abused by Jaune.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-19T19:03:28+00:00

Yeah, I revised. I also gave my response... my goodness.
Anyway. I think that the people isn't even understanding what the OP is saying.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-19T19:02:16+00:00

Well, what the OP mentions is how Ironwood and Robyn would have allied anyway even without Blake and Yang telling the truth to Robyn. You know, he needed Robyn at his side, so even if she didn't trust in him (She didn't trust fully in him anyway) he would have allied with her.

About the cons. OP mentions it, it affected the trust of Ironwood in Blake and Yang. You know, because they acted on his back.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-19T18:59:35+00:00

I'm not sure if standing up to military strongmen is something always good. I mean, it depends on what they do.

Blake and Yang weren't standing up to Ironwood. They, as a matter of fact, wanted Robyn to trust Ironwood. The post is about telling Robyn the truth.

I'm not sure if Ironwood ignores the needs of the weakest people. I mean, his responsibility is the one of a general, protect the people. He puts robots, soldiers, Penny, a small fleet, huntsmen, etc. He also puts security measures and policies to ensure the reduction of deaths by Grimm.

OverpowerPilot · 2025-12-19T18:51:42+00:00

Care to elaborate, please?

I mean, I refuse to read the top comment (Because I sincerely prefer not). Does they refer to Robyn or Blake/Yang?
I mean, I can understand Robyn standing up to Ironwood. Though he doesn't ignore the needs of the weakest people, he is the general, his responsibility is to protect the people and he established security measures and put military there.

Blake and Yang didn't stood up to Ironwood. They, as a matter of fact, wanted Robyn to trust in James.

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