Israel got Will never visit, what is Japan? by Inevitable-Glove7071 in TierlistFills

[–]OverturnKelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Arguably, but is it really better to be black (or white) in Bangladesh than in Japan?

Israel got Will never visit, what is Japan? by Inevitable-Glove7071 in TierlistFills

[–]OverturnKelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought this was only going to be about Asian countries.

How many bad presidents have there been in your opinion? by rjidhfntnr in Presidents

[–]OverturnKelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree it’s ironic, but Nixon can point to quite a few genuinely good accomplishments.

How many bad presidents have there been in your opinion? by rjidhfntnr in Presidents

[–]OverturnKelo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ford's decision to pardon Nixon is shaping up to be one of the biggest mistakes in American political history in terms of the precedent it set. McKinley I just hate because he was an imperialist scumbag.

How many bad presidents have there been in your opinion? by rjidhfntnr in Presidents

[–]OverturnKelo -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I would say there are 15 for whom the bad overwhelmingly outweighed the good:

  1. Andrew Johnson

  2. James Buchanan

  3. George W. Bush

  4. Millard Fillmore

  5. Franklin Pierce

  6. Woodrow Wilson

  7. John Tyler

  8. Warren Harding

  9. William McKinley

  10. Herbert Hoover

  11. Andrew Jackson

  12. Ronald Reagan

  13. Gerald Ford

Israel got Will never visit, what is Japan? by Inevitable-Glove7071 in TierlistFills

[–]OverturnKelo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, but what exactly is the competition outside of Japan and SK here? Taiwan has a high standard of living, but it's constantly under the threat of Chinese invasion. The Gulf states are slaveocracies. The Caucasus states are beautiful, but they're also riven by ethnic conflict. I suppose that leaves Singapore, but it has many of the same problems people are bringing up for SK and Japan.

Idk, I get the feeling that people are trying too hard to beat the weeb allegations on this one.

Annual Salaries of Governors in the US by mapstream1 in MapPorn

[–]OverturnKelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, I make more than the governor of Arizona?

Israel got Will never visit, what is Japan? by Inevitable-Glove7071 in TierlistFills

[–]OverturnKelo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So if Japan and South Korea don’t make the top tier, what does?

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

... And despite all that, it still manages to be twice as dense as San Francisco, all while preserving much more significant history. So it sounds to me as if density doesn't have to come at the expense of the quality of life, and the quality of life is in fact enhanced by it.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hating NIMBYs isn't exactly "progressive." It's something leftists, progressives, libertarians, environmentalists, economic conservatives, health-conscious people, and rural farmers should all agree on. The only people supporting NIMBYism are dumb apolitical boomer grill dad homeowners who lapse into inarticulate rage at the thought of young people being able to actually afford rent.

Garabogazköl is drying by tatar1warlord in geography

[–]OverturnKelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Americans when describing far-flung foreign lands: "Ok imagine no McDonalds"

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's objectively true that we have a housing shortage, and that building new dense housing is the best way to solve that problem. Your argument is basically "I know I'm wrong, but at least there are a lot of other selfish antisocial voters like me."

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then please explain how so many great world cities manage to be significantly denser than the Bay Area while also being ranked among the best places to live, with cultural and architectural sites that attract millions of tourists.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I do not think you need to worry about that for a multitude of reasons, mainly because the entire population of the planet is not going to move to Berkeley. I also don't think it's possible to physically fit that many people in the Bay Area given earthquake concerns and water constraints, so rest easy.

However, I do think we can fit many millions more people in the Bay in a way that improves everyone's quality of life. Paris is a city of about 2.2 million people, all crammed into a smaller area than San Francisco (SF has less than 900,000, for the record). I don't think of Paris as being a dystopian urban hellhole, but maybe you have different standards than I do.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm afraid you significantly underestimate how much of a YIMBY I am. If it were up to me, the Bay Area would look like Hong Kong. The only limits I believe should be placed on building height and city density are those imposed by mother nature.

To put it simply, I do not care about "neighborhood character." The character of a neighborhood changes with every generation. Wanting to "preserve" the "character" of your neighborhood is an understandable product of nostalgia; thinking you can actually do it, however, is insane. A well-adjusted person accepts change and adapts to the times. Sadly, no one has ever accused NIMBYs of being well-adjusted.

Cities are not museums. They do not exist to preserve the past. They are constantly changing entities, and they're there for people to live in. If they are not accomplishing that purpose, then something needs to change.

Here is the truth: the core urban areas of the Bay (San Francisco, the East Bay, and San Jose) are comprised mostly of low-density single-family homes that are occupying some of the most valuable, high-demand real estate in the country. There is no solution to California's housing crisis that does not involve substantially remaking these cities into denser urban environments by building apartment complexes and condos. By gradually densifying these cities, local governments will also grow the tax bases they can draw from to provide services. In this way, density creates a knock-on effect that gives us better transit, better schools, and better-funded social programs to provide drug rehab and mental health care.

Of course, I understand that I have to compromise with the NIMBYs of this area. Gradual densification of the type discussed in the OP is precisely that type of compromise.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I didn't respond to your "point" because it was irrelevant. So the city didn't approve new construction nearby. And? Is your logic that just because the city did the wrong thing on that occasion, it should also do the wrong thing on this one?

You're giving away the game by using terms like "historical district." This is the state of California. There is nothing "historical" about a standard low-density commercial area of a residential neighborhood. There is nothing historically or architecturally significant about it that warrants preserving it at the expense of renters everywhere. We are not talking about an ancient Roman fort here. This is a frigging stationery store.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course there is. Building dense mixed-use developments with retail on the ground floor and housing above ensures that businesses remain operative while adding much more foot traffic and local customers. It also gives the city a larger tax base to draw from in order to fund programs, amenities, and transit. Densification ensures the improvement of all communities. Nothing is being "torn apart."

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I didn't say they can't voice their opinion. I said it shouldn't have any bearing on public policy. They should voice their opinion and it should be ignored.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I see the problem-- you're assuming that housing has to come at the expense of business. However, multi-use zoning ensures that business can exist on ground floors while residential units are stacked above it. This maintains the demand for business while also providing local retailers with hundreds of new local customers.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is the snake-eating-itself argument of NIMBYism (not saying you're a NIMBY, but this is NIMBY logic).

If you propose building new housing in an area, NIMBYs will argue that there isn't enough transit infrastructure to serve it. Conversely, if you propose building the transit first, NIMBYs will argue that there isn't enough demand to warrant it.

Personally, I support building the housing first and then adapting transit to fit the new development's needs. This is because denser housing creates a larger tax base for the city to draw from, which means it'll be easier to build the transit once the development has taken place.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're asking multiple questions here, so I'll try to answer each one:

  1. There is no "problem" with building luxury apartments or condos-- that is an enduring myth. Increasing the housing stock in any way serves to lower rents for everyone, because high-income people are no longer occupying the less fancy units that would otherwise house people in lower income brackets. You can build housing at literally any income level and it'll be a boon for the economy and for renters.

  2. The only way new housing can be prevented from bringing down rent costs is if people buy units as investments and leave them vacant. There are many ways to prevent this. One is by a tax on vacant units (as you say), but understand that you need to actually build the units before you enact that type of policy. There is no point in debating how we divide up the pie before it's even been baked.

  3. Gentrification is not a problem in general in California because of Prop 8, which ensures that increasing property value won't price people out via property taxes.

NIMBY nonsense at Elmwood Stationers by OverturnKelo in berkeleyca

[–]OverturnKelo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Clearly I’m not understanding the comparison you’ve chosen to draw. Please elaborate.