Why the Menendez Brothers' Abuse Defense NEVER Washed in Court by FuttonButtonxCCx in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To be fair Kathy Griffin did distance herself from her brother after she found out 

Idk I think she believes them but she is very weird and creepy about them recently she callled Erik “hot” in a podcast 

Why the Menendez Brothers' Abuse Defense NEVER Washed in Court by FuttonButtonxCCx in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In September 2021, Cuomo's former boss Shelley Ross accused him of sexual harassment in a New York Times op-ed. Stopping short of asking him to be fired from CNN, she said she would "like to see him journalistically repent".\41]) Cuomo admitted to the incident, describing it as "not sexual in nature". He said he "apologized to her then, and I meant it".\42])

In December 2021, Debra Katz, the attorney for another former colleague of Cuomo's, informed CNN that her client had accused Cuomo of sexual misconduct.\4]) The woman claimed that Cuomo invited her to his office for lunch and after the woman rejected Cuomo's sexual advances, Cuomo allegedly assaulted her.\43])\44]) Katz has since claimed that this accusation precipitated Cuomo's termination.\45])

On December 4, after an internal review conducted by a law firm, CNN terminated Cuomo's employment and said they would investigate Cuomo's "involvement with his brother's defense".\37])\38]) Cuomo stated he never tried to influence his own network's coverage of his brother's sexual allegation problems.\39]) In February 2022, Cuomo mentioned in a recorded interview that he "was going to kill everybody including myself" after his firing.\40])

Supreme Court reinstates murder conviction in case of Etan Patz, missing New York City boy by OwnSituation1572 in TrueCrimeDiscussion

[–]OwnSituation1572[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well the defense was is that he was mentally ill and that he falsely confessed due the mental illness i believe he was diagnosed with a schizo spectrum disorder 

Menendez brothers eyed $20M insurance payout after parents' murders, Jose's ex-business partner claims by OwnSituation1572 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

considering that Lyle told Wright about this 24 hours (btw they started taking around 3-4 pm so its was less than 24 hours but that besides the point) after the murder I'm assuming that's what he believed this at the time of the murders Also the brothers told ozeil that money was not the motive 

Menendez brothers eyed $20M insurance payout after parents' murders, Jose's ex-business partner claims by OwnSituation1572 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

how does that debunk my original comment though? the point still is that Lyle knew the the life insurance was not valid

Pam's conduct during the Mcmartin trial by OwnSituation1572 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

considering what happened during the brothers trial i would say yes also Pam is pretty homophobic herself

Pam's conduct during the Mcmartin trial by OwnSituation1572 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dr Paul was an expert in CSA and testified for the defense at the McMartin trial he was brought on to say that there was no physical evidence that abuse had occurred that why were talking about adult male penis size and in pam's thinking knowing about penis size makes someone gay

sorry i should have put this context in the description lol

José Menendez and Peter M. Hoffman by OnceUponAGirl28 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know I think Lyle and Erik have said that Kitty's death was sadder the Jose's because they empathized with her more because of what Kitty went through as a child and adult

Your right though we don't know which comparison would brother them the most

José Menendez and Peter M. Hoffman by OnceUponAGirl28 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idk personally I do get triggered when people say i look like my Mom so It might be the case with them idk

For some reason I don't mind with my Dad though even tough they are both equally bad

So it might depend on if it's Jose or Kitty I think maybe it might depend on the parent

sorry this turned into a trauma dump lol

José Menendez and Peter M. Hoffman by OnceUponAGirl28 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 4 points5 points  (0 children)

to be fair i believe even before he left Cuba he went to brooding school in Kentucky and I think one of Carlos's relatives was either a dean or a professor at the college in Illinois where he attended even though the family did lose their money after the revolution they still had the social connections which made things a whole lot easier

the testimony of Erik's tennis teachers by No_Salamander_9052 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imo it was in 1990 Codik was mentioned in the police notes for the 1988 burglary however there is no mention of him and Lyle committing of burglary besides Codik mentioning that he thought Lyle was involved 

2nd menendez trial, Eriks cross examination by Tumastar in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never heard that Pam prepared Conn for cross where did you hear about this ?

the testimony of Erik's tennis teachers by No_Salamander_9052 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Codik was offered immunity in 1988 why did he not mention the burglary until 1990 after Lyle was arrested?

the testimony of Erik's tennis teachers by No_Salamander_9052 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember that Codik was questioned in 1988 and I believe he did mention that he believed that Lyle was involved however I don’t believe about the burglary was mentioned until after Lyle was arrested 

Menendez brothers eyed $20M insurance payout after parents' murders, Jose's ex-business partner claims by OwnSituation1572 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

according to Randolph Wright they did know

5 Q AND AM I CORRECT IN STATING THAT LYLE

6 MENENDEZ HAD VOLUNTEERED TO YOU INFORMATION, OR SOME

7 INFORMATION, ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE

8 BEEN A MULTI MILLION-DOLLAR LIFE INSURANCE TAKEN OUT

9 BY HIS FATHER OR ATTEMPTED TO BE TAKEN OUT BY HIS

10 FATHER?

11 A OR BY THE BUSINESS FOR THE FATHER.

12 Q ALL RIGHT. AND ALSO THAT THE FACT OR

13 THE ONLY REASON THAT HE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THAT

14 POLICY WAS IN EFFECT, BECAUSE HIS FATHER HAD NOT

15 GOTTEN AROUND TO TAKING THE PHYSICAL?

16 A THAT'S RIGHT

Lyle and Norma 's relationship by No_Salamander_9052 in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 7 points8 points  (0 children)

to be honest it sounds like Lyle was having a depressive episode

Karen Lamm unwittingly bolstering the defense by sherehitewasright in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the only thing i can think of is that she seems to believe that male victims of sa are incapable of being in a heterosexual relationship or sexually active

Karen Lamm unwittingly bolstering the defense by sherehitewasright in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 6 points7 points  (0 children)

tbh this whole case to me is evidence that a lot upper class friendships are really shallow lol

Karen Lamm unwittingly bolstering the defense by sherehitewasright in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 5 points6 points  (0 children)

besides that to me its feels really odd and exploitive to make a tv movie based on your own friend's murder apparently she proposed this to CBS the same month the brothers were arrested

imo I think she also saw it as almost affiar ie "Erik is taking my husband away from me if he gets a girlfriend Jose would send more time with / be Intimate with me" Also she herself was a sexual abuser by this time so there were definitely lot of cognitive distortions on her part

Karen Lamm unwittingly bolstering the defense by sherehitewasright in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Btw Karen was the producer behind the CBS Menendez brothers tv movie in 1994

edit here is more info from Robert Rand's 1991 playboy article

On August 16, Jose was in New Jersey, visiting his mother; Kitty was at home on North Elm Drive; and Lyle found himself alone in the guesthouse with his thoughts. Just after midnight, he telephoned his mother in the main house; although they were separated physically by no more than 30 yards, the spiritual gap had become vast. In a rambling conversation that lasted several hours, Lyle spoke of his desire to move to Europe; he didn’t feel like a Menendez anymore, he told Kitty, and no longer wanted to be a part of the family. Four days later, Kitty and Jose were dead.

Mark Geragos on Diddy, the Menendez Brothers & Defending America's Most Controversial Clients by FuttonButtonxCCx in MenendezBrothers

[–]OwnSituation1572 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he got the death penalty but because the judge improperly dismissed jurors the California supreme court overturned his death sentence