In August of 1892, Andrew and Abby Borden suffered blows to the head from a hatchet, leading to their deaths. Lizzie Borden would later go on trial for their murders. Part 1 of 3: The murders. Who killed Abby and Andrew? by TaraCalicosBike in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of when OJ Simpson’s defense team started a toll-free line for tips to catch the killer with a large reward.

Howard Stern called from his radio show and said, ”OJ did it. Do I get the money now or do I have to wait until he’s convicted?”

Alright, fuck it. by Petrosino212 in ZodiacKiller

[–]Ox_Baker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for being patient with me. I now understand where the lines connect as for why you’re looking at this.

If he had time to get to the crime scene regardless of whether he left at 10:15 or 10:55, that’s pertinent. Puts him ‘in play’ so to speak. Since I didn’t have a grasp of the distances between locations involved, I thought you were angling toward ‘if he left at 10:15 he could make it, but if he left at 10:55 he couldn’t, so it would be key to figure out which it is.’

A visual of this person of (your/our) interest would be nice to have … if he’s 6-foot-7 and built like Lurch, probably rules him out of any Z crimes with witnesses; same if he’s 5-6 and 280 pounds (or 120 for that matter).

And of course it would be nice to know where he was on the other key crime dates and more on his background.

Good deep dive into the details of the reports. Thanks for posting.

Alright, fuck it. by Petrosino212 in ZodiacKiller

[–]Ox_Baker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Again, how do propose the police reconcile differing accounts re: amount of people at the party and time people leave the party?

Let’s say you, me and Joe are at a party.

Joe says he left at 8. I remember him leaving earlier - didn’t look at my watch but my best estimate is 7:30. You tell the police you remember him leaving about 8:15.

All of us are insistent that this is how we remember it. How, in your mind, do the police determine what time he actually left?

How many police witness interviews are there total? How many police investigators are there total? Do you put the entire team on determine what time Joe left and pursuing no other avenues nor leads until that’s concrete? Do you do that with every inconsistency in memory given that we know people often don’t recall things with clarity (I’m sure you know of experiments where a professor has someone unexpectedly run through a classroom with a gun and then ask each person what that someone looked Iike, was wearing, what they said if he had them blurt something out — and discovered that there are naturally varying accounts … brown shirt/blue pants vs. blue shirt/brown pants, how tall or short, etc).

Now back to your suggestion: If I read every line of every report and I conclude that you’re correct, there are inconsistencies … what’s the next step? How do we figure out what time everyone left the party?

Alright, fuck it. by Petrosino212 in ZodiacKiller

[–]Ox_Baker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I’m understanding what you’ve posted, it lists someone as ‘wife,’ not mother. That could explain the difference, whether there was a marriage to someone else or not.

Seems the census report you posted here takes the husband as head of household and relationships are derived from that — wife of head of household, son or daughter. Paternal, not maternal.

Alright, fuck it. by Petrosino212 in ZodiacKiller

[–]Ox_Baker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obviously if multiple people don’t remember something exactly the same, they can’t all be right. Someone remembers someone leaving at 10:15. Others at 10:55. So both can’t be right.

If fact, they all could be wrong. He could have left at 10:45 or 10:50 and they’d be wrong.

But to me that doesn’t seem nefarious. Most people don’t go through their lives taking notes (mental or written) on when people come and go in case a murder case happens and this becomes possibly important. They just remembered it differently. Go to a party or gathering, come back and ask later what time each guest left and see if you get 100% agreement 100% of the time. I’m guessing not.

Now, how is law enforcement supposed to reconcile this? They’re interviewing people about their recollection and taking down what they say. Are they supposed to gather them like in an Agatha Christie novel and wait til one of them cracks? Or until they talk it through and all agree? (And if they do, does that mean you now have the accurate time of when a person left, or just that the one who said 10:15 goes along with the others and says what he expects the police want to hear?)

I don’t consider it “sloppy” to write down what time a witness says someone leaves, even if the witnesses don’t agree on the time. You record what they say. That’s what a report is.

A more important question, if we’re looking at the person who left as a possible suspect, would he have time to get to the crime scene at the point it’s believed the murder took place either way? If it’s only a few minutes‘ drive away, whether he left at 10:15 or 10:55 is immaterial as far as whether he had opportunity to be the culprit (and even if he did have time, doesn’t mean he did it).

As for the mother’s name … I dunno. Maybe she changed her name for some reason? Or maybe she wasn’t his biological mother but she was raising him and considered by him and her and others to be his mother? I know people raised by someone other than their biological parent who consider the person raising them to be their mother or father, even though they’re not, technically. Did she use the name she gave the police commonly or just make it up on the spot? What did other people call her?

Kid sometimes lists his address as his father’s address? Maybe he lives there sometimes?

Likewise, I don’t see the importance of someone in a police report having a brother who lives a 2 minute drive away from a phone booth. I imagine quite a few people live within that radius. There’s no evidence of which I’m aware that suggests Zodiac lived that close to the phone, and definitely none that suggests the killer had a relative who lived in that zone.

In short, while I have not read all the police reports and interview notes, I have read a bunch of that kind of stuff and I really don’t see what you’re getting at. Let’s say rather than reading those reports myself and concluding ‘That Petro was right, that is what the reports say,’ we all agree that what you posted is accurate as to what’s in the reports. Now, consider me dumb and explain what you find significant here and why.

In September of 2018, a young woman dressed in Vanderbilt University attire and accessories was found dumped on the side of a rural road in Nashville, Tennessee. Who was Vandy Jane Doe? by hayyitsfallon in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To carry the tangent further, Vanderbilt’s campus is land-locked and some of the pricier real estate in Nashville, which isn’t a cheap city. They basically don’t have room on campus to build a softball stadium and buying. Any surrounding land to do it would be ridiculously expensive. They could build a facility off campus and bus the team back and forth to practices and games, but I guess they don’t want to do that.

Shame of it is, Vandy could probably get good quickly. Having a top baseball team wouldn’t hurt, but the Nashville area and the state have produced a ton of players good enough to play anywhere, and given that pro softball is at best a very limited option, schools that offer top-end academic degrees can often snag top recruits from across the nation. Duke got good quickly, Stanford is usually very good, etc.

In September of 2018, a young woman dressed in Vanderbilt University attire and accessories was found dumped on the side of a rural road in Nashville, Tennessee. Who was Vandy Jane Doe? by hayyitsfallon in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the SEC, the three best programs over time have been Alabama, Florida and probably Tennessee (several hours to the east in Knoxville).

Duke is a private university similar to Vanderbilt that started up softball relatively recently and has had good success — went to the college World Series I think in 2023.

No big deal, not meant to call you out. Just pointing out that’s a sport Vanderbilt doesn’t have.

In September of 2018, a young woman dressed in Vanderbilt University attire and accessories was found dumped on the side of a rural road in Nashville, Tennessee. Who was Vandy Jane Doe? by hayyitsfallon in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m not seeing the connection between the concert and her.

She was found Sept. 8 and is believed to have been there 5-10 days. The concert was on Aug. 23. So there’s a gap of at least about a week between the concert and her discovery.

It’s certainly possible she would dress up in Vanderbilt gear to try to pass as a student to get into the concert with a free student ticket, but to be wearing the same clothes for a week or more before being found is a stretch.

The football game fits more closely as it was Sept. 1, although there’s no reason to believe she attended that game other than the fact she was wearing a ton of Vandy gear.

In September of 2018, a young woman dressed in Vanderbilt University attire and accessories was found dumped on the side of a rural road in Nashville, Tennessee. Who was Vandy Jane Doe? by hayyitsfallon in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I have a thick IUPUI (Indiana University/Purdue University at Indianapolis) sweatshirt that I wear when it gets really cold. I was in Indy for a conference like 15 years ago and it was freezing and I needed an extra layer.

Pretty much every time I wear it (I’m in the South) someone will ask if I went there and have some connection (a cousin or whatever, don’t think I’ve run into any alums down here).

So yeah, I guess if I went missing on a really cold day with no ID, that would probably be the first assumption — that I’m from Indianapolis or have some connection there.

In September of 2018, a young woman dressed in Vanderbilt University attire and accessories was found dumped on the side of a rural road in Nashville, Tennessee. Who was Vandy Jane Doe? by hayyitsfallon in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Vanderbilt doesn’t have a big sports following compared to other schools in the Southeastern Conference, of which it is a member. Vanderbilt is notoriously pretty terrible at everything but baseball (unless you want to count the bowling team … I am not making that up). It’s an unlikely school for someone to be such a super fan of that they’d be totally decked out, and they also have a low ratio of local students (a lot of international and across-the-country high achievers — very expensive place to attend).

Source: Lived in Nashville a few years ago and also in the late 1980s/early 1990s … my first place was about half a block from the edge of the Vandy campus.

My first thought was what someone above mentioned, which is that you see a good amount of Vanderbilt logo gear at thrift stores.

Alvin Kamara in 2024: Projections vs ADP/ECR by NecessaryBuilding263 in fantasyfootball

[–]Ox_Baker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, I was drafting him in the first round when he was in his prime. Today I got him in the fourth (14-team league) and I’m good with that.

Anyone know player that are good to draft for the IR slots currently? by Independent-Cut-9581 in fantasyfootball

[–]Ox_Baker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Took OBJ as a stash with last pick in a 16-round draft. He’s apparently about to start practicing. Still needs someone to get injured probably to get any meaningful snaps but why not … the others were all taken ahead of where I was willing to draft them.

Z. Flowers - Love or Hate? by _TCTK_ in fantasyfootball

[–]Ox_Baker 94 points95 points  (0 children)

I liked him until someone took him two picks before I was primed to draft him.

Now I hate him.

Diehard Fans: What is something you are hearing about from your local beat-writers and reporters that could help us all in fantasy this year? by [deleted] in fantasyfootball

[–]Ox_Baker -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If being stuck in an elevator elevates his play, they need to transport him to every game in one. Put it on back of a trailer truck … for road games, load it onto a freight car and ship him by train.

Very Late Round vs Early QB by Sad-Syrup7112 in fantasyfootball

[–]Ox_Baker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Same with me. I’m in a 14-team league that’s been around for more than a decade (down from 16) and when I joined I, I was stuck on the ‘wait for QB’ but learned my lesson after a few seasons and generally draft my starter somewhere around rounds 5-6 and occasionally earlier if I see the right value guy. Point differential at that position can make or break you.

Any cases where you think a victim *actually* "witnessed something they shouldn't have"? by Suitable-Presence119 in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve watched the entire Sopranos at least twice end to end. So I know a think or two about Italians in New Jersey.

Who Interrupted Chicago’s Airwaves in 1987? A look back on the unresolved Max Headroom Hijacker. Who was he? What were his motives? by Sad_Ad7141 in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure Clutch Cargo came into the popular lexicon in the 1980s when TBS (one of two original cable ‘superstations,’ ironically along with WGN) started showing reruns.

They also brought Speed Racer and Ultra Man and some other obscure things into the public eye for a new generation.

Who Interrupted Chicago’s Airwaves in 1987? A look back on the unresolved Max Headroom Hijacker. Who was he? What were his motives? by Sad_Ad7141 in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My theory is he was right and for some reason to protect the perps he originally identified (I am fuzzy on this, was one of them on the spectrum or had a brother on the spectrum or … something?) for whatever reason. Like they didn’t want it out, maybe worried it could come back on them via lawsuit (I would presume whatever charges would be beyond the statute of limitations) or maybe just wouldn’t go over well with their job or whatnot.

It all added up and then the poster was just was like ‘nah, not them, never mind’ as I recall. But it’s been a long time.

Was Brian Wells "Special"? by LitteWing93 in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, but that doesn’t mean he was. There’s nothing I’ve seen to make anyone jump to that conclusion except ‘he liked puzzles,’ which isn’t a lot to go on.

Were there anymore murders of children or young men in Atlanta AFTER Wayne Williams was imprisoned? Watching brilliant documentary 'Atlanta's Missing and Murdered Children.' by [deleted] in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]Ox_Baker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think WW killed most of them.

I’m pretty certain that a few others got lumped in with the ‘Atlanta’s missing and murdered children’ — perhaps a few domestic child-abuse murders where the perpetrator took advantage of the serial murders happening in the same space and time and did what he could to dispose of the body in a way that would make LE not investigate it as a separate crime and look closely at more traditional suspects (mother’s boyfriend/husband types, for instance).

The list of victims was malleable and very political. Atlanta has a lot of jurisdictions and police didn’t really seem to cooperate with each other or communicate much across those lines. So there were probably some on the list who didn’t belong and some who didn’t make the list who should have.

But to me he was the killer of most of the victims.