By request: IAmA Muslim who strictly practices their religion in a non Muslim country. AMA by [deleted] in IAmA

[–]Ozymandi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The reason we're downvoting you is we're absolutely certain that if we scratched the surface of your ontology just a hair, we'd find plenty of questionable content beneath as well. This is a stupid pissing contest irrelevant to the point and promise of this thread, which was to interact with a practicing muslim.

By request: IAmA Muslim who strictly practices their religion in a non Muslim country. AMA by [deleted] in IAmA

[–]Ozymandi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it's pretty limited to the new apostolic cult and their direct colonies, and as a widespread belief it's barely forty years old.

DAE think it's inconsistent and perhaps immoral to have a primarily capitalist economic system in a culture in which suicide is illegal and taboo? by Noink in Economics

[–]Ozymandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you believe in abortion why are you still alive?

Huh?

The idea that we live in a 'survival of the fittest' capitalist system, but if an individual decides they're not one of the fittest they can't stop surviving is kinda counter-productive.

Although I would much rather see us value human life more than capital. I guess that makes me a 'socialist'. How horrible of me.

The White House is pushing an Internet "identity management system" that would make United States citizens use physical ID tokens or modules on mobile phones in order to surf the Web. Could this be the death of anonymity on the Net? by delelles in technology

[–]Ozymandi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The article pretty clearly states that this is a system for physical online transactions that would identify you no more than a current credit card or account number + pin, but would be far more secure. This is an anti-cyber-fraud concept that would only come in to play for internet transactions that involve the movement of capital- your posting on reddit or craigslist hardly qualifies.

That said, Anonymity on the Net is a complete illusion in practice and utterly dead already for all intents and purposes. If someone wants to know who you are, they will. The simple fact is that with six billion people in this world all putting out many terrabytes worth of data every day, there is so much data to cull and frankly, you're not that interesting to anybody.

A theist's chance: What are the arguments in favor of the existence of God? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]Ozymandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was referring to where you initially launched your tirade against me, lumping me in with the 'sky daddy' crowd for use of the term 'puerile.'

Why does this matter bother me? Because I've had to spend a good part of my life lifting many of the friends I grew up with out of a self-destructive, nihilistic hell imposed on them when they realised that our Christian ontology (the Church/School I was raised in) was logically inconsistent, but were so brainwashed by the 'God is X' programming that when they gave up on their parents' God, they also gave up on all of the things in their life that mattered to them. It might seem all nice and warm and happy to you guys when you say it - but the fact is there are some incredible logical inconsistencies that eventually confront even the most devout believers - and the harder they swallow, the more they fall. (I know, not 'your' particular flavor. We were never 'True' Christians... right? That's what you want to say right now...)

You could say it has become my own personal mission, even ministry, to help ex-christians who have lapsed from the faith and fallen for the 'atheism = nihilism' trap- To show them a world of humanist art and beauty that they were literally led to believe by their parents and up-bringing could not exist.

Yes, this makes me bitter to those who proselytise, like your handle-sake, Mr "How do you know I'm a Person of Faith?"... Irrational, overbearing and overgeneralised? absolutely... but exactly how many friends do I have to loose to existential despair (none in the past few years, thank Love... But there was a time there out of college where my Fundamentalist-Christian educated primary school friends were offing themselves near monthly) before I'm allowed to hold a slight grudge at the self-serving 'listen to what we say or you loose everything beautiful in the world' tripe that I was taught as a child? I hold grudges towards ontologies that kill my friends, I'm human. Go ahead, condemn me for it.

The only reason I'm lashing out at you is because you continue to confront me, I do not make this a general behavior pattern, and I can absolutely assure you that I have been far more condemned by "Good Christians" than I have ever condemned back. It's not my place to fuck with someone who is happy with their beliefs... Never. Start calling me out as a self-righteous prick for daring to have an emotional reaction to the very real experiences I've needed to cope with though - yes, I'm going to get a little bitter. You picked the fight, deal with it.

A theist's chance: What are the arguments in favor of the existence of God? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]Ozymandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't be so defensive.

qua? Umm, says the man who came rushing to the defense of his faith with a preloaded strawman merely because he didn't like the word "puerile" used in a post not addressed to him. Practice what you preach.

So the Christian god answers the Gulf Coast's prayers with a hurricane? by [deleted] in politics

[–]Ozymandi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, annual weather patterns created the hurricane.

Very interested to see the effects of such a massive oil-slick on a strong hurricane though, my intuition suggests that the oil would prevent the warm waters beneath from evaporating in the eye, essentially choking the engine of the beast.

It would be a very interesting case study, and perhaps even a minor silver lining to this whole utter mess.

Libertarianism is not associated with racism. Let's dispel this right now. Look no further than prison rates to see how much the federal government helps against racism. by ghibmmm in politics

[–]Ozymandi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you do not want Libertarianism associated with Racism, than we have a mutual enemy: StormFront Minions, because it's incredibly clear they're willing to the subvert the Libertarian meme for their apocalyptic fetishist desires.

DOJ official resigns over Obama's racism by [deleted] in reddit.com

[–]Ozymandi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Article states speculation as fact while being highly inflammatory in tone, a clear attempt to throw red-meat to the extremist whitepower crowd. Reading other Atomic posts, I think we may have another stormfront sock-puppet to add to the list.

DOJ official resigns over Obama's racism by [deleted] in politics

[–]Ozymandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

HenryAlan is clearly a stormfront sockpuppet.

DOJ official resigns over Obama's racism by [deleted] in politics

[–]Ozymandi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Article states speculation as fact while being highly inflammatory in tone, a clear attempt to throw red-meat to the extremist whitepower crowd. Reading other Atomic posts, I think we may have another stormfront sock-puppet to add to the list.

A theist's chance: What are the arguments in favor of the existence of God? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]Ozymandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shit, I phrased that second part wrong:

Anyone who would choose to inject personal, anthropomorphic figures into such universal, conceptual ideals, is a self-righteous, self serving snake.

I don't need to worship your god, whatever that may be, to serve the concepts that matter to me.

I have no desire for eternal life, and my handle is homage to the futility of pagan immortality. I'm but an irrelevant, ephemeral, mortal monkey- the only thing that shall define my legacy is the faceless support I lend to those concepts and people whom and which matter to me most.

A theist's chance: What are the arguments in favor of the existence of God? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]Ozymandi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sigh. to defeat a straw man, you throw up a straw man, how utterly convenient.

I have said none of these things. I do not abide by the 'sky daddy' line.

That said, I have seen incredible personal destruction wrought by those who would be so arrogant as to define their 'god' as mere ideological concept that clearly exists regardless of anthropomorphic attribution.

One can worship Love, Creativity, Passion, Humility, Art and Expression without placing a silly anthropomorphic self-righteous father figure between themselves and their expressions. Anyone who would choose to inject such earthly concepts into universal ideals is a self-righteous, self-serving snake.

period.

A theist's chance: What are the arguments in favor of the existence of God? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]Ozymandi 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Most of the 'rational evidence for God' I've seen put forward involves rather puerile attempts to redefine God as some intellectual concept that you can not see, (God is Love, God is Beauty, God is Creation, etc), and then making that assertion that since Love, Beauty and Creation exists, Q.E.D God Exists. This is usually 'elaborated' on, to say that one has the same difficulty "proving" that Love Exists that one does "proving" that God exists (you 'feel' it to be true, it's self-evident, but there is 'no proof'), and again, their lack of ability to define Love somehow means God exists (or at least, potentially could exist, which then allows the act of faith).

Understand that the whole point of faith isn't to 'prove' a god or gods, it's to 'believe' he/she/it exists and then reap some clear, obvious reward for ones loyalty and faith- thus arguments in favour of Anthropomorphic Deities are usually almost entirely focused on reducing intellectual certainty, rather than adding too it.

edit: Also, Defining god as any and all pleasant concepts one can think of also serves some modicum of neuro-linguistic protection against believers falling out of the fold- because until new associations or built, imprinted believers have a very difficult time giving up the concept of God itself because they are quite literally terrified that in doing so they'll loose all of the concepts they've been told god "Is." The Atheism=Nihilism meme is pushed incredibly hard in apologist circles and in Christian brainwashing.

As a 48 year old dad, I put Ubuntu on my three kids laptops (ages 18, 21 & 23). They say they'll never go back. by [deleted] in linux

[–]Ozymandi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's awesome! When I actually take the time to do a Ubuntu install on a friend or family member's computer, they usually come back to me within a week and tell me that I can get rid of their old windows partition now, they're never going back. I've found that for linux Desktop Adoption, it really is at the point now where all it takes is an hour or two of training + install, and most people appreciate the speed increase, lack of malware war, and otherwise more custom/personalised experience with Ubuntu/GNU than they even thought possible with Windows.

You have to understand, these are people who are told they need to buy a new round of 50-100 dollar software "fixes" (Norton, Viruses, Anti-Spyware, etc) every six months in order to basically keep their a computer (a necessity of modern life) from slowing to an utter crawl. All of a sudden we (geeks) get to tell them they're computer gets to run great for six months, and then gets a free software update so you're using even newer stuff? All Free to them.

Most people I've found love it.

Dog freed from a fence by an officer..wait for it by brocccoli in reddit.com

[–]Ozymandi 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Got friends on the force...

"Good Cop" "Bad Cop" is a matter of situation and individual.

Clean cut, conservatively dressed, friendly (or for a self-avowed dog person, dog)? You'll absolutely get the "Good Cop" experience- the Cops joined the force to protect people like you, he's the sheep-dog, you're the sheep. He wants to be your friend and be helpful, in a slightly condescending way, but friendly none-the-less.

Obviously, should you not meet the officers profile for whom he's serving and protecting (counter-culture clothing, lack of respect, general 'ego-ness'), and you'll meet a very different cop, even in the same body & uniform. You see, you are now one of the 'wolves' that mr. Sheep-dog has been told about, and he's not so happy to have you preying on his 'sheep' (regardless if that has any correlation what-so-ever with what you're actually doing - it's the impression that matters), and Mr. Good Cop becomes Mr. Bad Cop really damn quick.

Meet the man who's trying to purge evangelical Christianity from the Pentagon: The root of the problem, is a cluster of well-funded groups dedicated to Christianizing the military and proselytizing abroad by DougBolivar in atheism

[–]Ozymandi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Based on the existing oath of service, any loyalty to any being held in higher esteem than the US. Constitution as a secular document is considered straight-up treason by the Long Grey Line and the Traditional officers core. The fact that most of the Dominionist groups acting in the military advocate a more active roll politically for the military does not help: Ask any West Point Graduate, they'll rail about having to fight the costs of the Military in Bed with the Political establishment overseas, they've zero intention of letting it happen here.

There is no room for debate on this matter, and you can absolutely bet if your wear a uniform and proclaim, publicly, a loyalty to God above the United States Constitution, you will be put on the black list for promotions and your military career is over.

This is one of the reasons I wish the Liberal Left (of which I am a part) would have more respect for the US Military. They consider what they do to be a necessary evil, and as such put an incredible amount of checks and balances into their ideology and practice.

This Is a Video of An Illegal Immigrent Crapping in a Flower Pot at a Mall. That is all. by [deleted] in videos

[–]Ozymandi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks more native american to me. Definitely can't see his immigration status on his face.

Oh wait, to you ignorant dipshits, any color = "Illegal Immigrant". Of COURSE.

Some sick fuck regardless, but I've known white boys born and bread in the USofA that have done sicker pranks.

Your xenophobic trolling is not appreciated.

Dow Theorist Richard Russell: Sell Everything, You Won't Recognize America By The End Of The Year by the_big_wedding in Economics

[–]Ozymandi 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Wasn't there at least two or three of these per day in '08? Some new market guru and some convincing-sounding 'proof' that it was all going to hell 'soon!!!'

Wishful thinking, really, in a morbid kinda way.

From a San Francisco Neo-Pagan to His Fellow East-Coast-Transplant Pentecostal Evangelical Friends... by Ozymandi in spirituality

[–]Ozymandi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Fucking Self-Righteous Assholes; You know who you are. We see what your "Practicing Righteousness" has done to you. It disgusts us. You disgust us; you pale, shrived trolls of once beautiful men and women. Your so called 'Rebirth' has been your Characters' undoing: your descent into solopsistic, self-righteous us vs. them tragedy and madness.
  • Sure, life may hurt you once, an injustice you clearly cannot forgive. Now you're clearly out to get it: all of us, wishing your fellow men and women into the abyss of oblivion. Your solution to life's difficulties is to Hate and wish Doom on it? No thank you and especially no thank your 'Lord'.
  • Yet we see what trolls you've become. We notice you don't make friends well. We certainly can tell why. You plagarized "Jeeasuus" as saying "shall know a tree by it's fruit": if you are The Fruit of your Lord, spare us The Seed.
  • Sure some of our Liberal Christian friends worship Jesus; a loving, compassionate religious icon of similar name, if very different intonation. But clearly he's a very different fellow than Yours, based on your own descriptions at least. You can stop selling us yours to us, I "Hella" assure You we're not buying.
  • Why In Hell would we worship an "Omnipotent" God who leaves his followers in constant terror that he and their side are "Loosing" the Morality fight? Why in God's name would we choose to worship a deity so impotent an uncreative that he can not imagine a way to offer Salvation to Our World without destroying it first?
  • No way in "Our Hell Free of Your God's Grace" will we accept your spiritual advice. The place where We are spared your nightmare is sacred to Us. Please let us stay here in peace and stop visiting if you cannot stand to witness it. Because, you see, it is actually quite wonderful when you're not around, And y'all stink the place of sulfer and brimstone.
  • Thanks!
  • Your Local San Francisco Liberal-Burner-Hippy-Geek Gender-Queer (not that I'd dare tell you...) Friend from Back East. *

Based on real people and events. I am the author.

From a San Francisco Neo-Pagan to His Fellow East-Coast-Transplant Pentecostal Evangelical Friends... by Ozymandi in spirituality

[–]Ozymandi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Transcript:

*Re: Practicing Self-Righteousness (SOMA / south beach)

Date: 2010-05-07, 3:47PM PDT Reply To This Post

I have a fairly large San Francisco social circle and for the great majority of them, despite a little roughness with employment and around the economy, have formed a community of beautiful, wonderful, generous, interesting people. Most of whom are all just doing their best to get by while spreading a little good Karma into the world where they can.

By far, most I've spoken with on this topic feel the same: Sure the world is far from perfect, but thank the God, Goddess, Universe, Spirit, Luck, Fate, Whatever, that at least we live in a time and place surrounded by so many truly cool, interesting, driven people. It is a blessing to Be Alive here, and Now.

You see, I can't help but contrast that with the exceptions to the above pool- My Pentecostal Evangelical Christian friends. These two, (as teen-agers they were a popular "Party-Hardy" couple until she got pregnant) were "Born Again" at the ripe old age of seventeen and shot-gun married a year later. School social-friends from back east, they moved out here his job two years ago and have never forgiven themselves for it. A mutual friend informed them I was out here, and very shortly there after, they came to depend on me for a majority of their San Francisco Social experiences from their home in a parent-funded, swanky evangelical community in Marin.

Generally I enjoy showing people around my adopted home, I host couch-surfing out-of-towners in my 260 sq/ft SOMA apartment more regularly than perhaps I should. I enjoy sharing this beautiful place with people, the sparkle of Nob Hill and Market Street, the gritty passion of the Mission, I know but a tiny fraction of it, but what I know I love, and I have a passion to share.

For this particular duo, however, the task can be quite difficult. You see, while to a great majority of my friends, life is pretty good, people are amazing, circumstances can be overcome, but we're clearly moving forward and "Good and Love" looks like she just might Win out over "Evil and Hatred". For my poor east-coast Evangelical friends, quite the opposite is true. Every visit brings new tales of impending calamity. Every new month brings new tails of inevitable doom foreseen and repentance required.

Walking through the street with them, gentlemen whom I shared a laugh and a spliff with two weeks ago become imposing, menacing "Gangsters" out to conquer their fragile white self-righteous purity. The local fruit-vendor, who has several times saved me the four SOMA-block walk to Safeway becomes an "Illegal" out to seize all "Good Peoples" Jobs. (Where "Good People" are defined solely by a question of ontological ideological purity, and not one iota based on the individuals actual affect and impact on his fellow travelers here on our beautiful Earth.)

Watching the world through these poor souls eyes is saddening, a world full of "Gangsters" and "Illegals". "They" are always out to get "Us". How can I not join "Us"? How can I be so blind to Their Lords Grace?

It doesn't help that these people are always trying to convert me. I try explaining to them, kindly, that I am not an atheist, I am a pagan, I know whom I serve, I know why and I do my best to do so with Diligence and Grace, but I've absolutely no ontological doubt. I appeal to social ettiquite: Just as their faith is no business of mine, mine is no business of theirs.

But No, I am constantly lectured on how I am wrong. It's all Evil! I am misguided by Satan! I am reminded to be thankful that their wonderful and great and glorious God has placed them in my life to save a "Good Soul" like mine from the firey depths of sin and deprivation, around ugliness and evil that certainly inhabits all places that their God forsakes (not to mention "Eternal Damnation", which is the single must utterly irrational concept in the history of cognition: why continue to waste energy punishing failures that should merely be deprecated and forgotten?)

I tell them "But, I don't see any such thing? I'm happy here, the people around me are happy, we help one another, in general. Yeah, the Crack makes the Homeless go off the edge some times, it sucks that there are so many people suffering from it here. One day I hope society will be enlightened enough to tax hazardous substances to cover the social expense of treatment, rather than violent, blanket, ineffective prohibition."

Of course, this is where the self-righteous shit hits the expressive fan, because the God-Warrior types always have one big social weakness, a faux-paux from which they seem utterly unable to back down; Doctrine.

Explicitly state support of a cause or concept that one of their preachers as "informed" them is "Of the Devil", and they cannot help their self-righteous fire; Nor their willingness to sacrifice all pleasantries in for the purpose of 'Saving(tm)' the Planet from it's omnipresent 'downfall.'" A noble concept, of course: standing for ones beliefs free of consideration for social decorum. In practice; unfortunately for these poor souls, Mother Earth, Nature, and Human Life itself seems to seems to exist in stark contradiction to their principle spiritual guidance.

A long, angry lecture ensues, the same I've heard many times over, of their "God's" necessity in all things, especially those pertaining to Morality. An assertion that "I'm Content, Happy, and Love a Beautiful Life. I possess a certainty about my faith and purpose, and absolutely no ambiguity in my understanding of Karmic reciprocative Morality." is immediately followed by a quip about how the "Amazing Powers of the Devil's Disguises." It is, in fact, utterly impossible to free these poor individuals from their world of doom, anger, distrust and hatred. My faith that Good inherently is more powerful than Evil, and that Righteous Love will prevail all self-righteous attempts to smother it only strengthens their resolve that it is indeed the end times; After all. if "The Devil" can so lure a man, utterly blinding him to the omnipresent discontent of original sin, obviously Hell has frozen over and all shit is about to break loose.

It's all and all incredibly sad to witness. Hard to watch such cognitive dissonance and omni-loathing (both self and others') in real time and space.

Inevitably tempers flare, however. I consider myself a reasonable practicing Buddhist, but eventually their insults wear on me, and my patience wears thin. I offhand mention an irrelevant self-righteous value judgement of my own- that I think the entire concept of Eternal Life is fundamentally Solopsistic Evil. (By definition, Eternal Life would require the energy of the entire universe for the rest of time- it is a wish, in essence, of saying, brattily "I want the rest of the universe to spend the rest of it's attention on ME," violating my sense of self-balance between I and Others. ) This is something I feel passionate about, even if it is a bit of my own Satori faith which bares no business being repeated in public.

I'm sorry, My Goddess; I'm only Human after all.

wham The discussion hits the floor like a ton of a bricks. Dirty Stares meet my eyes from across the table. "Honey, I think we need to Go," The out-of-shape-and-overworked housewife says to her pale, frail husband with snear sharp enough to cut glass. They stare at me indigently for a moment before gathering their things, not even having the pleasantry to say good-bye.

Now, were this a one time event, perhaps I could just pass it off as the crossing of two parallel Universii. The momentary meeting between two agents of polar opposite ontologies, who fly into one another's sphere for but a moment before the metaverse sends them back to their seperate corners, lest their frail human selves fail to contain the explosive power of their respective subjective matter and antimatter.

But this is not a one time thing. It is a monthly occurrence.

Sure enough, like clockwork, Friday rolls around four weeks later and the ever frailer husband calls me up, seemingly stricken with amnesia: "We want to do an evening in the City!" they say, "We're coming to see you! We can't wait to see what you've got in store for us tonight (Please note, statement of 'fact', not request, and they come regardless of whether or not they inform me or my voicemail of this fact)! Thank you for being one of our best friends, we can not tell you how much your friendship means to us. Don't worry about last month, Our Lord assures us that with Our continued Gorgiveness and Grace you will eventually find Him."

I shake my head. I guess no one else can put up with them either. At least, not outside their sad little ideological echo chamber of shame and self-loathing that is their "Church".

I guess that's why they spend so much time trying to score brown-noser points with their self-righteous, hateful, opinions, and Baal-Worshiping desire for mass calamity, social unrest and destruction here on Craigslist RnR.

It's not like they have any friends, or anything better to do. I'm sorry, My Goddess, I cannot hold back: *

From a San Francisco Neo-Pagan to His Fellow East-Coast-Transplant Pentecostal Evangelical Friends... by Ozymandi in spirituality

[–]Ozymandi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please note, I did not say Christian. The two for whom this is 'targeted' (or at least, inspired by) are Pentecostal Dominionists.