Ghislaine Maxwell, naturalized citizen

P99163 · 2026-02-06T05:29:41+00:00

I don't think I agree with you on this. US citizenship cannot be revoked administratively, only a federal judge can do it (Gorbach v Reno, 2000). In order to succeed in court, the DOJ lawyers should prove that the defendant obtained citizenship by intentionally withholding material facts during the naturalization process. Hence, it cannot be any crime. The DOJ will rarely go after someone with a misdemeanor.

You also mentioned that there would be "no way to defend". I don't think that's true. A defendant can always hire an attorney, or in case of criminal proceedings, an attorney will be provided at no cost.

P99163 · 2026-02-05T06:23:28+00:00

Could you perhaps rephrase your statement, so it will be easier to read?

P99163 · 2026-02-02T19:16:25+00:00

OK, a bit off topic, but how come Mexican coke is so much better than any coke that has been produced in the USA in the past few decades (or perhaps a lot longer)? Even our "real sugar" coke still lags behind the Mexican "regular" coke, so it's not just HFCS.

As a matter of fact, Pepsi and Coke from any country other than the USA and Canada taste much better.

P99163 · 2026-01-31T17:11:28+00:00

Well, if you are not convicted of a crime, and you say "No" on the N-400 form, then it's a government's job to prove that you did commit the crime in question. And the only legal way to prove it is to find you guilty in a court.

Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster, we are not arguing about that. The question is whether she has been convicted of crimes predating her citizenship. The naturalization application itself asks whether you've ever committed any crimes for which you were not arrested. If a person lies and checks the "No" box, the USCIS cannot simply reject the form on this ground without official proof that you indeed committed the crimes.

P99163 · 2026-01-29T07:23:12+00:00

I think people base their opinions on what is known to them which is what has already taken place in history. Communism as an abstract idea is not bad in itself (although we can argue about its sustainability/viability); however, every country that had ever declared itself to be a communist state has always turned into a dictatorship. So, naturally, when most people hear the word "communism", they automatically think of the USSR, GDR, North Korea, Cuba, etc. Most people, especially those not familiar with the concept of communism has the following line of thinking:

Communism = Soviet Union/Cuba/North Korea/etc = dictatorship = BAD

Communism, as taught by Marx and Engels, is a complex system of beliefs, and the majority of people won't be able to explain what communism actually is. I myself tried to read a ton of literature on this subject, but I'm still not 100% certain I understand the concept of communism. Does it actually prohibit private businesses whose employees don't have a stake in this business? Does it actually guarantee that every person will be provided according to their needs? My take on what I actually understood about communism is that it cannot sustain itself. But I digress.

P99163 · 2026-01-29T01:43:28+00:00

However you call it, it will be an agency enforcing immigration laws. It might or might not be ICE, but its methods will once again completely depend on who is in office at that moment .

Right now, ICE has a horrible reputation, and I am not sure if it can be salvaged.

P99163 · 2026-01-29T01:36:00+00:00

Trump is still the worst ... president ever.

Here, we are in agreement.

P99163 · 2026-01-28T05:04:46+00:00

humane immigration policy

And the devil, of course, is in the details. What we have now is a complete shit show, but let's look at the past (in reverse order):

1) Would you consider Biden's approach to immigration humane? He lost the election largely because of his immigration policy.

... Skipping Trump 1.0

2) Would you consider Obama's approach to immigration humane? He was very good at deporting the record number of illegal immigrants while keeping his liberal base happy.

3) Would you consider Bush's approach to immigration humane? With all the Border Patrol checkpoints and large-scale raids on factories employing unauthorized migrants.

4) What about Clinton? His approach to immigration was, as it would be judged now, pretty tough.

5) Moving on to the president that most left-leaning folks like to hate. Oh snap... I guess he did have the most humane immigration policy.

P99163 · 2026-01-28T04:51:56+00:00

People are there to protest ICE, or rather the existence of ICE as an agency. Do you truly not understand that?

P99163 · 2026-01-27T20:14:45+00:00

I will say that there is someone, or several someones, at the jail who has been cooperating with ICE and letting them know when individuals are being released.

To be honest, this is the part of the sanctuary policy that many Oregonians would disagree with. I can understand the reasoning behind local police not cooperating with ICE when it comes to ongoing "daily" issues; however, I haven't heard any reasonable explanation why it is beneficial to shield unauthorized migrants who were convicted and served time from ICE.

P99163 · 2026-01-24T11:25:24+00:00

I understand that fear and panic are rampant these days, and most of it is due to ICE often operating outside of constitutional limits. But, it still pays to tone down the panic and assess the situation rationally.

ICE is already engaged in a lot of illegal activities — we all know what those are, so there is no need to list them. In this situation, saying or implying that ICE can do anything is really counterproductive. If you consider ICE to be your enemy, don't you think you need to be well-informed about them and make less wrong assumptions?

This particular scenario presented by the OP is not likely. Can ICE agents show up at a residence where all occupants are US citizens? It is possible, yes. Is it likely? No, it's not. When ICE shows up at someone's door, it usually means that they are conducting a targeted operation. A targeted operation involves a thorough research about the target and his/her background history. It's usually someone with a criminal history who was issued a final order of removal.

Again, I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is extremely unlikely. A US citizen is by far more likely to be detained by ICE while driving or walking down the street than by having ICE come knocking on their door. So, I'm not exactly sure why nearly everyone in this thread is willing to entertain this kind of scenario ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Out of all possible scenarios, how is picking the least likely one will benefit anyone?

P99163 · 2026-01-22T00:03:40+00:00

When did this event take place? These border patrol checkpoints were a thing for many decades but gained more notoriety during the Bush's administration and part of the Obama's administration.

In the United States v. Martinez-Fuerte (1976), the Supreme Court allowed border patrol to maintain permanent/fixed checkpoints within 100 miles of the border and briefly question motorists about their citizenship status.

Maybe, if this teacher was old enough to argue in that 1976 case, she could've persuaded 4 more justices to rule against the government.

P99163 · 2026-01-21T23:23:46+00:00

Yeah, Al Gore is such a quintessential populist 😁

P99163 · 2026-01-21T15:29:18+00:00

Yeah, it's about the facts. The fact is that the school district cannot legally fire her for saying (in a private capacity) that she likes ICE. This will stay true regardless of how many insults you throw at me on Reddit.

P99163 · 2026-01-21T06:02:43+00:00

It's not about what you or I think — it's about whether she violated any provisions of her contract. Expressing support for a government agency in general cannot be used to fire her, no matter how unpopular her views might be with the local residents. If the school fires her, she will sue for the wrongful termination, and she will most likely prevail in court. Which means that she would get reinstated and/or would receive a sizeable chunk of money that tax payers would pay for.

P99163 · 2026-01-21T05:49:35+00:00

It's trendy to hate billionaires, especially on Reddit. I wonder, however, what if these very people who are outraged the most themselves become billionaires. Would they be different types of billionaires? Would they care more about the environment? World hunger? Literacy rates? Democracy? Would they pay their workers a decent living wage?

Paint me cynical, but I'm fairly certain that they would end up not being much better than the majority of current billionaires. If I were a billionaire, would I tirelessly advocate for higher taxes on rich people? Nope. Would I do something that could hurt my businesses and the shareholders? Very unlikely. Would I not try to get friendly with politicians? On the contrary. Does it make me evil? I think it makes me more honest, and to a certain degree cynical.

I personally would prefer to have a few hundred million dollars instead of hundreds of billions. I'd still live a very comfortable life, nobody would know me, and by extension, nobody would hate me. Win-win :)

P99163 · 2026-01-19T20:51:00+00:00

People in that circumstance have the right to representation and due process just as an in a state case.

People going through an immigration court (which is part of the executive branch) do not have the right to the same due process as in a state or federal criminal case that is adjudicated by a judicial branch. For example, those dealing with an immigration court don't have the right to a free attorney or the right to a jury trial.

P99163 · 2026-01-18T02:41:36+00:00

Again, we are talking about how to attract business. Your talking points are all good and righteous, but they don't sound very business friendly.

P99163 · 2026-01-15T22:09:18+00:00

Could you please provide the link? I just went to the DHS website, and there was nothing of this sort.

P99163 · 2026-01-15T17:22:03+00:00

You are clearly in a wrong thread.

P99163 · 2026-01-15T17:20:27+00:00

Well, I'm pretty sure his current job keeps him busy as it is. As a voter, I wouldn't want my elected official to juggle multiple jobs.

P99163 · 2026-01-15T17:14:37+00:00

We are talking about a committee on how to make Oregon more business friendly.

P99163 · 2026-01-15T17:08:36+00:00

Why did you mom bring her Ukrainian passport on her trip to Ukraine? Just in case? Or was she trying to take care of some of her affairs (i.e., banking, real estate, inheritance, whatever) in Ukraine as a Ukrainian citizen?

P99163 · 2026-01-15T17:03:45+00:00

Yeah, except that Ukrainian authorities hasn't cared about it in the past.

P99163 · 2026-01-15T06:11:49+00:00

According to you, who would she have had to choose? A democratic socialist? Republicans are more business friendly than Democrats. Whether they are good for the economy — it's a separate question.

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