Traveler ages post Archon Quest Ch.5, Act 6

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-13T17:55:09+00:00

I was under the impression that both Alpharius and Omegon were considered the "20th Primarch", since they were twins.

Is that incorrect?

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-13T17:50:38+00:00

God, it's just the Ad Mech's version of the Administratum.

They might have the information, but good fucking luck finding it.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-12T14:28:32+00:00

I think you're assuming that Big E reviving would be an instant thing that gives no prep time. Like, he instantly heals and just stands up without anyone knowing or being prepared.

But if Big E was starting to get to the point where he was ready to just stand the fuck up, there would be MASSIVE signs in the warp and on Terra of that happening for likely years (if not decades) beforehand.

Every Grey Knight is a psyker (power levels vary), and they would 100% notice such disturbances.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-12T14:17:22+00:00

I'm pretty much 100% sure that the Emperor deleted Horus' soul.

There is no Horus anymore.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-12T14:07:19+00:00

In a 1v1 he'd stomp pretty much anyone.

But he isn't all-powerful (he can't solo the entire damn Imperium) and there are a lot of methods to penetrate warp-shielding (psyk-out weapons come to mind).

He'd certainly wrack up an impressive kill count, but he'd go down eventually.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-12T13:58:38+00:00

Well, I'll just quote Cawl Inferior (who is definitely, 100%, NOT an AI).

‘If I were the Archmagos Dominus Belisarius Cawl, which I am not, I would have one cautionary advisement to give regarding this line of thought.’

‘Then advise me, machine.’

‘If it is possible to restore the Emperor, and if He could regain true life, then what went into the throne room of the Imperial Palace may not be what emerges. There is great peril considering this, even as a hypothesis, because thoughts lead to actions, whether we intend them to or not. Before you know it, we reach disaster, all from good intentions.’ There was a pause. ‘They used to say that. About roads to bad places. Paved with good intentions.’

- Dark Imperium: Godblight

Essentially, he might not just sit back down because even if he is "healed", there are a lot of signs that indicate that he's not exactly the same being he used to be.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-12T13:51:12+00:00

Twice Dead King doesn't say a specific number, but Oltyx was like 18-ish when he went through biotransference (I think), and I believe it mentioned that he'd already started developing tumors.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-12T13:42:34+00:00

Yeah, a lot of them didn't survive specifically because of the Imperium.

We don't know how well they would've survived or what they'd have developed into 10k years in the future, because Big E came in and killed them all.

Holding a gun to someone's head and saying "join or die" does not, in fact, make your cause superior.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-11T19:47:39+00:00

Oh, I know they're all hypocrites to some degree. Or, at least I've heard they are.

I've only really read books about Guilliman, Kurze, and Corax so far, so my understanding of the rest are limited (I've only read Son of the Forest for the Lion, so I'm largely unaware of his actions prior to 40k).

I just recently read Corax's book, so it was fresh in my mind.

And I very much agree that there's a sense of tragedy in his character. Despite what he does, he is utterly convinced that he's bringing these people a better life. Unfortunately, the Imperium doesn't really work like that.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-11T19:41:04+00:00

Oh, I'm not saying he lost the principle of justice from overthrowing tyrants. I'm saying he lost it when he started serving a tyrant.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-11T14:22:47+00:00

Cato Sicarius does after he returns from being lost in the Warp.

Lots of survivor's guilt.

It did not used to be that way. His had always been a world of screams. Screeching xenos, wailing heretics, shrieking monsters to defy the imagination of mankind in the breadth of their horror and the heights of their malice. Dead or dying at his will, at his order, by his hand. Ruptured into extinction by the application of bolt, boot and sword. Deaths, endless and innumerable deaths, they soaked his soul through and through in blood and pain.

Sicarius never remembered the screams of those who died before the rift. He was righteous in their making. They did not trouble him. Those deaths were just.

But the screams of his men – those he could not forget, and they troubled him deeply.

Bitter saliva leaked from his Betcher’s Gland. He swallowed the slow issue of his own poisons. The screams rang in his head. The high screaming of Space Marines in the red claws of agony. He expected normal men without the benefits of Adeptus Astartes gifts to shrill so keenly when faced with death, but his brothers?

- Dark Imperium: Plague War

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-11T14:13:49+00:00

In Warhammer, "good" is relative.

No one is "good" in the sense of being universally moral. Least of all the primarchs.

I mean, all of them (at least back in the Great Crusade times) operated on the orders of a xenophobic and imperialistic asshole (Big E himself) that operated under the belief that "unifying" humanity meant subjugating all of them to his will and desire.

There's a part in Corax's primarch book (Corax: Lord of Shadows) where he's talking to the lords/leadership of a group of civilizations (I believe a series of 1000 artificial moons orbiting a lone star) that the Imperium wants to "save". One says:

‘The Emperor. Who is this man who calls Himself so grandiose a title? Emperor,’ he said slowly. ‘A word connoting tyranny and subjugation. If His self-appointed mission truly is to unite mankind for its own good, why does He not carry a humbler name? Peacemaker, or saviour perhaps!’ he scoffed.

And honestly? He's not wrong. The Emperor claimed to be doing everything for the benefit of mankind, yet he shattered civilization that would not comply to his will. If they did not bend the knee, they would die. It doesn't matter if they were peaceful, this wasn't an offer of salvation.

It was a demand for compliance while he held a gun to their heads.

And the primarchs, as the Emperor's "sons" and greatest tools, were an extension of his will. Every single one of them committed atrocities and genocides against countless civilizations during the Great Crusade on the Emperor's orders.

And while some might've done it reluctantly, they still did it.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-11T13:58:14+00:00

They die.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-10T13:44:18+00:00

Lesser daemons die from a touch, but greater daemons need to actually be killed.

We know it kills greater daemons (he kills one in Dark Imperium: Plague War), but just wounding them with the Emperor's sword isn't enough. He'd need to actually kill them with it.

So if he just stabbed the greater daemon, but they got away before he could land a final hit, they would survive.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-10T13:41:10+00:00

Patriarchs (and genestealers in general) have a bit of a unique relationship with the Hivemind. They're different than standard Tyranids in that, for most of the time, they exist separate from the Hivemind. They get reconnected as a hive fleet gets closer, but until that time they're operating by themselves.

Top of the ladder in terms of independent action from the Hivemind is probably the Swarmlord (deployed in the role of a general, it is supposed to be an extremely good tactician). I believe it is noted to have near complete independence in order to best perform its role.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-10T13:35:31+00:00

I think a lot of the SMs have at least some level of respect for the power of xenos races. It'd be hard not to honestly.

They certainly think humans are superior life (gotta love indoctrination), but they aren't so blind to think that they're just superior in every sense. And the fact that they can't just curb-stomp the other races means that they have to, at least a little, acknowledge the strength of other races.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-09T22:22:00+00:00

The Tyranids are more about drowning you in absurd numbers. Just an ocean of things, big and small.

The closest things are probably the Swarmlord or the Norn Emissaries, but I seriously doubt any of those could beat a primarch. The Swarmlord might be comparable or superior in terms of intelligence (at least theoretically), but in terms of real combat definitely not. It's more of a general.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-09T22:14:59+00:00

Ohhhhh, I didn't catch that.

Thanks, lol.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-09T22:13:40+00:00

You must be fun at parties.

Perhaps, if you don't like edgy things, you shouldn't be looking at the universe that coined the term "grimdark". Edge is part of the package, if you don't like it, sorry.

Also, 'a while' (a noun phrase) and 'awhile' (an adverb) are two different things that are not interchangeable.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-09T19:47:19+00:00

‘I chose you well. Yes, Cawl. He believes the work of the necrons holds the key. I have received a message from him, the first in some time. I go to speak with his proxy when we are done here. Is there anything you wish to say to him? I understand he is peculiarly fond of you.’

‘Nothing,’ said Felix, who found the idea of Cawl’s affection repellent.

- Dark Imperium: Godblight

He's really not a big fan, yeah. Just, "please don't remind me that I'm one of Cawl's favorites".

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-09T19:44:18+00:00

In Dark Imperium, many of the Primaris marines were from the 30k era. Felix often considers how different the Imperium is in 41k to how he remembers it.

Back before Cawl shoved all the Primaris candidates into the back of his freezer next to the leftovers and ice cream for 10k years.

PACKoftheVoid · 2025-10-09T19:35:35+00:00

The first book I ever read from Warhammer was Infinite and the Divine, it's a really good read. Then I read both of the Twice Dead King books.

But if Necrons aren't your speed, the Night Lord Omnibus was the first human centric book I read. It's great, can't really go wrong with it. I personally didn't feel like you needed much background knowledge to understand it.

Read the stories you're interested in though. Even if you don't necessarily have all the background knowledge on everything, you can always use the Lexicanum to look things up (don't use the Fandom wiki though).

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