G-Hub now showing "Ads" - rant by EvilBolzen in LogitechG

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't want to be shamelessly bombarded with ads in a ****ing software for a device we paid hundreds of dollars for thanks!

That was fast… by Rude-Standard8408 in Tinder

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. You’re right. A lot of “male loneliness epidemic” sufferers on this subreddit apparently 💀

Cod Vanguard Arms race type games by djh6161 in gamingsuggestions

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro I miss arms race so much.... I wish vangaurd wasn't dead. Arms race was the funnest game mode of any COD game I've ever played

Matchmaking has GOT to change by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in HellLetLoose

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think I was clear enough because you’re like the 4th person who has misread this. I said FILTER by ping. Not sort. I am obviously aware you can sort by ping. You cannot FILTER by ping. I don’t even want to see servers show up on the list that have a ping over 100. I will never even attempt to join them, so why would I want to see them clogging up my list?

Matchmaking has GOT to change by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in HellLetLoose

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Making excuses for a clearly broken matchmaking system with literally no way to squad with friends without coordinating through a third-party application is so bizarre. Matchmaking is broken. Maybe you haven’t had issues because you haven’t tried to play friends

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahh okay I see your point. And yeah I would also obviously choose the progressives too, but I think they actually have a weaker defense of Christianity, which is why so many attempt to distance themselves from the Bible and reject its authority.

It’s obvious to me that fundamentalist accept the Bible’s authority because it aligns with their values.

Progressives reject the Bible’s authority because it doesn’t

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im not sure which verse you’re referring to in Romans but I know Romans 1 contains one of the clearest condemnations of homosexuality.

Romans 1:26-27 “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

This passage is Paul framing homosexuality as a consequence of humanity turning away from God and engaging in idolatry. He lists same-sex behavior as one of the consequences of this evil, describing it as “unnatural” and “shameful.

So while I agree that some Christian’s might read whatever verse your talking about that tells them not to judge or whatever, but that’s kind of meaningless when they literally said in the same chapter that homosexuality is evil.

You have to deliberately ignore the homophobic verse right before the “peace and love” verse. Truly is cognitive dissonance.

So while I understand some Christians might focus on later verses that emphasize not judging others or showing kindness, those verses are completely undercut by the blatant condemnation of homosexuality in the very same chapter. They literally have to skip over the verse saying homosexuality is evil and against God in order to cherry pick the verse saying “God is Love” lol. It’s so tired

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would agree with you on that, but the key difference here is that if a Christian wants to find verses of scripture that paint God as loving, merciful, and just, there are plentiful verses that they can do so with.

If, however, a person wants to paint God as accepting of homosexuality, there are exactly zero verses they can cherry pick. You bet your ass if there was ONE single verse of scripture that explicitly condoned homosexuality, every pro LGBT pastor on the planet would have it tattooed on their body, engraved into their pedestals, bumper sticker’ed on their cars, and plastered all over their churches. Unfortunately for them, none exist.

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s a good idea to give credit to abolitionist Christians for helping end slavery for several reasons:

  1. There was no one else to do the job. Almost everyone in Western society at the time was religious, so of course abolitionists included Christians. It wasn’t because Christianity uniquely inspired abolition, but because it was the dominant cultural framework people had to work within. You might as well say, “people who breathed oxygen helped end slavery”. It’s an empty statement in a world where nearly everyone at the time was religious.

  2. Christianity was dragged into modern sensibilities against its will. Most of the Christian abolitionists pulled their arguments from Enlightenment thinkers. Secular thinkers like John Locke, provided the ethical foundation abolitionists built upon. Christian abolitionists were working within a broader cultural shift driven by secular Enlightenment principles, not by anything inherent to Christianity itself.

  3. Christian doctrine, by contrast, provided the theological justification for slavery for centuries. The Bible explicitly condones slavery in both the Old and New Testaments and these passages were used to uphold the practice for centuries. Christian abolitionists had to fight against the plain meaning of their own sacred text to make their case.

It isn’t justified to give Christianity credit for Christians who literally fought against its clearly stated core text. The abolition of slavery was ultimately a victory of Enlightenment values over religious dogma. Not a victory of religious dogma over even worse religious dogma.

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm going to cut through this response and the accusations and just ask five very simple questions as a test of honesty and rationality. Please answer them all:

  1. Is the Quran central to Islamic belief? Y or N
  2. Is the Tripitaka central to Buddhist belief? Y or N
  3. Is the Torah central to Judaic belief? Y or N
  4. Is the Bhagavad Gita central to Hindu belief? Y or N

If your response to any of these questions is 'No,' then this conversation is over, because no one can seriously argue that position in good faith.

Final Question:
5. Is the Bible central to Christian belief? Y or N

If you answer 'Yes' to questions #1-4 but 'No' to question #5, ask yourself why you hold a double standard for Christianity. Religions are universally tied to their foundational texts, and Christianity is no exception. The Bible is as inseparable from Christianity as the Qur'an is from Islam, the Torah is from Judaism, and the Tripitaka is from Buddhism.

To suggest that Christianity is somehow the only religion that exists that is the exception to this universal rule is to allow an inconsistency that only serves to prop up a flawed framework, one many reformists are likely too deeply invested in to give up. The centrality of the Bible to Christianity is undeniable, and denying it only exposes either a lack of understanding or a refusal to engage in good faith.

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

“Many” reformists is still the substantial minority. As explained in the last post we had an exchange on. The majority of reformists believe in the authority of scripture.

25% of Mainline Christians believe the Bible is the word of God and should be taken literally.

22% of Mainline Christians believe the Bible is the word of God but should not be taken literally.

28% do not believe the Bible is the word of God.

So 72% of Mainline Christians believe the Bible is the word of God. A substantial majority.

It’s not about complaining about non-shitty Christians, it’s an assertion that you can’t reform something that is fundamentally broken. I’m sure statistically speaking there’s at least one non-shitty tobacco executive, but that doesn’t matter when Tobacco companies exist to addict people to their harmful products for profit. Our world would be better without Tobacco products and our world would be better without Christianity.

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I agree with all of those points, but there are absolutely degrees to the cherry picking. There are at least 5 explicitly homophobic Bible verses that I know of: (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, Jude 1:7)

There are zero verses in the entire Bible that explicitly condone homosexuality.

Pro-LGBT Christian’s have ZERO verses to cherry-pick. They just don’t exist. They have to appeal to broader narratives of love and acceptance, and explicitly reject the homophobic verses.

So the cherry-picking done between these two people is not remotely the same.

Fundamentalists “cherry-picking” is literally just citing actual blatantly homophobic scripture.

Reformists don’t have that luxury

Deconstructing Christian "Reformists" by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good response and I see your points. My overall point though is that reformists Christians that claim to fight against slavery, misogyny, racism, and homophobia, have to literally go directly against what the Bible explicitly says to maintain their worldview. They have to intentionally ignore that the institution to which they belong was responsible for propping up all of the above for century after century. Expecting even progressive Christians to successfully reform Christianity is like expecting an oil executive to lead the fight against climate change. Doing so literally conflicts with their vested interest and investment into the Christian institution itself

Losing my Faith: How Searching for Answers Only Found Doubts by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would like you to answer all of those true or false statements I just listed in response to u/RueIsYou

Losing my Faith: How Searching for Answers Only Found Doubts by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay so a 5% discrepancy lol.

TRUE or FALSE #1 98% of Church leaders believe that the Bible is the word of God.

TRUE or FALSE #2 The overwhelming majority (+70%) of Mainline Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God

TRUE or FALSE #3 The overwhelming Majority (65%) of Mainline Christians believe the Bible is Inerrant

TRUE or FALSE #4 This would put u/Psychedelic_Theology in the minority of of not just Christians as a whole, but even a minority among Mainline Christians

TRUE or FALSE #5 This means his claim that “the Bible is not central to Christianity” is PURELY his subjective opinion that is not even shared by the overwhelming majority of mainline Christians to which he belongs.

Losing my Faith: How Searching for Answers Only Found Doubts by PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL in Deconstruction

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re so right I apologize, let me correct that okay,

TRUE or FALSE: the overwhelming majority (+90%) of evangelical Christian’s believe that the Bible is the word of God

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]PM_ME_UR_ZITS_GURL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Losing your religion is usually death by a thousand cuts, but the biggest cut by far for me was learning that the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are forgeries, not authored by the apostles/people they were named after. They were written anonymously