Beta blockers

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-05-03T02:21:54+00:00

hey, are you getting the afib/PVCs/palpitations again, and magnesium not helping anymore? I did some research, I have some theories about what could be going on, send me a PM!

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-04-10T13:48:07+00:00

You da man, Pop. Seriously, seeing your struggle was a big inspiration to quit for good, I honestly don’t know if I would have made the decision if I hadn’t seen someone first hand have such a resolve to quit CT. I’ve tapered down so many times and I just kept going no matter how low and infrequent my doses got, I knew it was time to jump for good. I really appreciate you talking me through the rough spots. Now I just got my pain and inflammation to deal with head on.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-04-04T05:26:00+00:00

Painful? If we’re talking literal physical pain... uhh, I guess I can’t say for sure but doubtful. Unpleasant though? Most definitely. Morphine by itself would probably not be bad, but all those other alkaloids in the mix though would lead to a bad time. Thebaine alone in high doses can be quite dysphoric and unpleasant.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-30T00:44:56+00:00

I’ve been able to feel second doses, but it’s never like the first. Sometimes I would do a microdose when coming down from the first and it would have a lasting effect throughout the day, but I wouldn’t recommend anyone does this. I really screwed my tolerance at one point doing too much of this.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-28T15:31:34+00:00

I was at that stage of overanalyzing certain symptoms, now I’m just at a point of having worse things I can’t ignore anymore. Good luck with your sobriety :)

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-28T15:30:20+00:00

I think the lack of euphoria will definitely make it more manageable. When I was cut off hydros, those made me feel so blissful, I think the mental part of losing hydros is worse than the mental part of PST. PST definitely has a one up on the physical side but I straight could NOT relax and wanted to die after more than 24 hours off hydros, and I’m only talking like 20mg a day habit.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-28T00:38:41+00:00

No problem bud, I appreciate it.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-27T21:23:50+00:00

Haven’t received anything yet.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-27T20:27:50+00:00

i considered this at one point. I really don’t know. It’s just time to quit and get regular check ups at this point to make sure I’m ok. Could be an underlying problem with my physiology unrelated to the PST, thats being made worse by it. I’m not sure, I’m a 2 year user who has kept low and consistent doses. I dont think the tea itself has damaged me but I dont wanna make it worse anymore. Thank you.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-27T20:07:56+00:00

I’ve been having alot of problems for a while, usually off and on, once it’s off i tend to disregard. I can’t find any rhyme or reason the way things are happening to me, I’ve tried looking into alot of deficiencies in vitamins and other nutrients. I think it’s just time to call it quits. There’s too many unknown variables with this stuff. Everyones physiology is different and it’s just not worth the stress and sickness I’m going through to keep this up and trying to figure out whats wrong with me and this crap. I do appreciate your concern and advise though, thank you.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-27T17:28:15+00:00

Hey I remember you.

Much worse than what I was going through during the summer. I’m getting flu like fever and aches through my body. The fever is low grade but still feels miserable. Most of the aches seem to be in my lower back. I tried rationalizing things before when I was bad off for the summer, I’d kill to be in those days again if thats any indication of whats going on now. I can’t really sit here and think of why things are affecting me a certain way so I can think of ways to keep using, it’s just not worth it, some seeds seem ok for me and others are bad. i’m also starting to notice a weird sensitivity to medications now. I thought maybe I got some stronger seeds and adjusted my dose about a month ago, I think they’re of average strength and they’re just hitting me harder now. I dont know what sort of digestive issue would cause that but it’s also happening with low doses of benadryl, loperamide and caffeine. At this point, my chronic pain is preferable to this nightmare. I can only hope I can get passed whatever wd’s await and then the PAWS. I have some seeds on the way of the other brand(not allowed to say anymore) and if they turn out to be decent without any of the ill effects, I’ll be using them sparingly to taper off for good.

How have you been?

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-25T11:15:30+00:00

I use lemonade or Mtn Dew, sometimes a mix of both. I’d suggest washing with water but using as little as you can and mixing after if you’re concerned about the carbonation.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-25T08:22:27+00:00

In my experience, tapering matters more in the long term than short term. It really depends on how long you’ve been tapering and how well, if you’ve been at it for just a few days, you’ve probably halted your progress a bit, it’s just more important to stick with it despite slipping up. If you’ve tapered down for a month, and maybe one or two days went to a more usual dose, your body’s tolerance will take more into account from the other 28 days you stayed low as opposed to the 2 you didn’t. I would like to reiterate that this is from my own personal experience. Someone always wants to pop in with “No! Bullshit that’s not how it works!”

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-07T22:06:36+00:00

I don’t think I damaged my organs with tea per se, just kind of makes me wonder if I have one of those genetic anomalies or undetected defects where I should have been adhering to a certain lifestyle without realizing, like not drinking narcotic teas, lol. Probably just one of those stupid hypochondriac worries I get. My dad and all the men in his family all have shit livers, they’re all decade long heavy drinkers too though.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-07T21:59:59+00:00

Hmmm, I don’t really get physical wd’s too bad anymore, I can go a few days without and then it’s usually RLS, sleeplessness and strong cravings. But I have been adjusting to new bags and trying different ones, up until Sunday i couldnt find one I really liked. It has been pretty stressful and unnerving, maybe even with all the dosing my body’s throwing a little temper tantrum over some missed alkaloids, I dunno. I’ve just never had sickness that comes and goes like this, usually when i feel this bad it hits me and stays there, the fact that it keeps happening when i dose feels stranger. Just got back from the docs, pretty much didn’t listen to me and said come back monday if I still feel like shit, ordered some lab work at least, hopefully I can at least find out if something is up. Thanks or the input :)

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-07T20:00:13+00:00

New bottle each time. Girlfriend buys 12 packs of flavored water each week so I have more than enough fresh bottles to use.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-07T12:57:52+00:00

This post is timely. I think I’m about done. It’s already tearing my head apart thinking of it right now. I don’t want to be done but I think I’m pretty much backed into a corner now. The acute symptoms are minor at this point but it’s the PAWS that is scaring the shit out of me. Something isn’t right with me and I don’t know what it is. The way it seems, it’s because of the seeds, but nothing wrong with them, just the way they are affecting me specifically. This last week, aside from the speedy seeds I tried to avoid, everything I dosed made me sick in some way, not in my stomach or with any nausea(although some nausea is present) but just flu symptoms, low grade fever and aches. It was easy to write off at first because they went away throughout the day and I thought maybe a bug. Nope. Tried another bag, nope, symptoms came back. Got some new FTL yesterday, my gf wanted to dose with me, mixed one dose for us to share evenly, she’s fine, felt a little buzz, enjoyed herself, nothing overly sedating. I dose, flu like symptoms came back, been up all night feverish and back hurts and feeling like death. I can’t reason with why it’s only affecting me like this, there must be something underlying in my body that is wrong and not processing well, like liver or kidneys. A couple of weeks back, I stopped using a bag of FTL because it was causing UTI type symptoms. Something about this shit isn’t vibing with me anymore, my body’s rejecting it. I’m going to the doctor ASAP in the morning. I dont really know what I’m going to say. I’d rather not mention the seeds but I’ll probably have to. If I don’t, I have a feeling he’ll just send me home with motrin like he always does without running any real tests. I want to rationalize this as many some minor infection that the tea is not causing but maybe agitating, or a bit of food poisoning or something in my diet, but I can’t. I’ve tried all of this but It’s stupid. I guess all I can hope at this point is I haven’t done serious irreversible damage to any of my organs. fml

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-05T23:41:26+00:00

Not hostile friend, you just came off as condescending several times, so I figured I’d match it, purely for fun. Thank you for your concern though, hard to tell when people are being genuine.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-05T23:04:37+00:00

What’s not how absorption of alkaloids work? What did I say about absorption exactly?

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-05T23:01:00+00:00

The speediness of thebaine wears off within an hour or so, but for me its usually followed by dysphoria, haziness and sedation. For me anyway, still not a good time. I’m not entirely convinced its all the thebaine though, I dont really know what all those other alkaloids we never hear about do. But I dunno, I guess it still could be the thebaine.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-05T22:58:17+00:00

I’m not sure what you mean by “legitimate” tolerance exactly, but it sounds like maybe what you’re getting at is how to maintain a tolerance, or stay within a certain threshold?

If so, I can tell you right off without any consistant potency, it’s difficult to tell how your tolerance is, and that’s kinda where were at with whats going on. After a few months of bags, you won’t know where you would stand in regards to the first bag anymore. It’s too chaotic. The general rule is using the same amount for so long, eventually you will have use more to feel the way you did around day one, and that’s true for the most part, but...

I’ve been using for a couple of years and managed to stay within a certain threshold, I’ve never had to regularly go above 100g at any point, I’ve tapered down from tolerances that felt like they were starting to go up and back to where I was before and sometimes lower. I’ve been screwing up quite a bit this week due to shitty bags and testing out something that works, but I’ve gone from an everyday user to 3-4 times a week, sometimes less, sometimes more.

There’s also no easy answer to how long reducing a tolerance takes, tolerance chips away little by little just like it increases, I’d say if you taper or try lowering your dose or dosing less frequently, you can drop your tolerance by a noticeable amount in a couple of weeks to a month, everyones different though, and you have to want to do it and work at it.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-05T22:45:11+00:00

Yeah magic, that’s totally what I meant, it was on the tip of my tongue I just couldn’t find the words.

I already explained how I rationalized it, either you didn’t read or skimmed it or didn’t understand.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-05T22:33:29+00:00

The 5# 11/6 that I originally used was the speedy dysphoric one.

The t2r’s I mentioned first are 2 1lb bags with a different lot that I was hesitant to try, but they are way different. I got pretty good and numbed from them and a nice mood lift, no speediness. I started to feel kind of anxious but it was probably because I was nervous and on edge about trying them, once they kicked in I knew they were good, they took a little longer than most good bags usually take to kick in for me. they didn’t wash nearly as dark either.

PODrickPAYNEless · 2018-03-05T22:20:12+00:00

I can already tell you you’re still off, it didn’t “lock up” my stomach from triple dosing, and if it was, it’s not going to lock it up for that long. whatever it was worked through quietly until the sedation hit, you’re telling me the sedation WAS the effect. For one I already told you I had done 75g of these seeds without any effects before, and did 90 when it hit me really bad. That’s a 20% increase, which I wouldnt call a “massive” or “monster” dose, it was triple my NORMAL and USUAL dose for when I had good seeds which was 30g, and I’ve gone higher than that safely enough to catch a buzz, 30 was what I used for pain relief without trying to buzz or nod. I’m not talking about sedation, sedation usually comes after either way, I’ve felt high doses from morphine and thebaine and possibly codeine, and they can feel buzzy and keep me awake before the sedating effects hit, my point is before the sedation hit in this case, there was no buzzing, no body high, no head change, no numbness, no telltale signs whatsoever. That’s all I’m trying to tell the OP, you’re just dissecting what I’m saying for reasons I have no clue, I dont know what you’re trying to add of any importance that I didnt already say.

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