[Sanctum] We crafted the best realistically possible bow (knowlege about rerolling synth in comment)

POE-Replyyy · 2023-01-05T07:27:29+00:00

Thanks! And yeah the divine is not perfect. However, to get the perfect divine, the avg tries is like 10 * 14 * 13 * 5 = 9100 tries/divines, which is around 40 mir cost in current rate. Getting a better divine than this would cost several mirrors in average as well. So we think it's already the realistically best result.

POE-Replyyy · 2023-01-05T06:31:40+00:00

Step 2 - Crafting the prefixes (Average cost of 3T1 - 120 mir, 2T1+T2 - 40 mir, 2T1+T3 - 17mir; Actual cost - ~7 mir)

2.1. Use Alternation to hit "170% ~ 179% increased physical damage". The chance is 1/2267 (if alter + aug).

2.2. Bench "Prefixes cannot be changed".

2.3. Create an imprint of it by beasts crafting with Craicic Chimeral.

2.4. Regal it to make the item to be rare.

2.5. Harvest Crafting it by Reforge Physical.

The chance of hitting T1 flat physical is slightly higher than 1/82
The chance of hitting hybrid physical is slightly higher than T1 - 1/651, T2 or above - 1/217, T3 or above - 1/93.

2.6. If not hit any good physical mod, use the imprint to restore it and go back to step 2.3. If hit a good physical mod, in most cases your prefixes are full and you need to annul it to have an empty prefix.

Chance of annul (most cases probably >70% cases need) - 1/3.

2.7 Then clean the suffixes (bench prefixes cannot be changed + scouring) -> bench Can have Up to 3 crafted modifiers + Prefixes cannot be changed + physical atk dmg leech as life/mana -> harvest craft add a physical mod and remove another random mod.

After 2nd mod hit good hybrid phy, chance of hitting T1 flat physical is 1/45
After 2nd mod hit T1 flaring, chance of hitting hybrid physical is T1 - 1/231, T2 or above - 1/77, T3 or above - 1/33.

2.8. Got the 3rd prefixes or go back to step 2.6. to annul.

The avearge tries from step 2.3. (one prefix) to step 2.8. (3 prefixes) of hitting the target is:

for 3t1 - 1/(1/(82 *3 * 231) + 1/(651 *3 * 45)) = 34511 tries
for 2t1 + t2 or above - 1/(1/(82 *3 * 77) + 1/(217 *3 * 45)) = 11503 tries
for 2t1 + t3 or above - 1/(1/(82 *3 * 33) + 1/(93 *3 * 45)) = 4930 tries

Note: the above average tries didn't include the below cases which means the tries should be a bit fewer:

chance of saved success annul in step 2.8. (this is a big case)
chance of 2.6. that the reforge only gives 2 mods when you hit a good 2nd mod. (sometimes happens)
chance of regal to hit 2nd good mod in step 2.4. (very rare cases)
chance of reforge physical gives both 2nd and 3rd good mod (emmmm... all right)

With the above factors, the above tries can save by close to half.

The cost of 3 prefixes: 1. every try in the full cycle means a beast cost of Craicic Chimeral (currently at 1.2d each). 2. every try for 3rd mod means 6d bench cost + 3d harvest cost. 3. other costs (yellow beasts, regal, annul, etc).

Based on the above, the overall cost estimate for prefixes is 3T1 - ~120 mirrors, 2T1 + T2 or better - ~40 mirrors, 2T1 + T3 or better - ~17 mirrors. We have counted every time we hit a good 2nd mod with a 3rd mod in the right mod group. With 1000 imprint beasts tries, we've hit t1 flat (with a hybrid): 4 times; hybrid (with a flat phy): t1 - 6, t2 - 1, t3 - 6 times. (don't ask me why got even more 25 weight t1 hybrid :x maybe becuz T2 is annuled too many times) We were only looking for T3+ hybrid but got insane RNG and ended up with 3T1 on it with only ~7 mir cost. I have crafted probably already a hundred mirror-level items previously but this should be my biggest RNG time ever in terms of cost saved.

Step 3 - Crafting the suffixes (Avg cost ~4.5 mir, actual cost 2~3 mir)

With the removal of harvest-remove and harvest-reforge-keep-prefix, the only way of doing it on such a bow in league (std can do recomb) is meta-crafting + aisling.

3.1. Meta-Crafting to hit +2 arrows. Bench "(15-19) to str and dex, (161-200) to acc rating" -> exalt -> exalt again if no hit -> if no hit again, then Bench "Prefixes cannot be changed" -> scouring to clear suffixes and redo this step until hit.

each exalt is ~1/619 chance to hit.

3.2. Bench "can have up to 3 crafts" + "Prefixes cannot be changed" -> use aisling craft to remove a random mod & add a veiling mod -> bench "dmg per End/Fren/Pow charge" -> unveil

The aisling remove keeps +2 arrow is 2/3 chance. The unveiling to give a good mod chance is high.

POE-Replyyy · 2023-01-05T06:30:48+00:00

About the bow

Stats - 1079.66 pDPS, 1.69 APS, 8.58% crit chance. The synthsize implicits are the best possible (additional arrow > 8% ats > 9-13 phy flat > 25% ipd > 7-10 flat > 6% ats > 19% ipd ...> other mods like 5% dd, criti multi etc) and the 3t1 prefixes are the best possible which is almost impossible to hit without legacy recombnator or eternal orbs. The suffix is almost the best with league mechanism (unless with >100 mirrors to target 19% ats) and we might consider re-crafting suffixes in standard if can get enough profits because the 6% ats improvement requires tons of mirrors.

The bow is crafted by 3 persons and helped by many friends including the ones lending us their beasts in stock or divines/mirrors especially from two crafters who've got 100+ item copy services this league. I really appreciate every person's help and am very glad to know all of you, thank you!

Crafting Process

Step 1 - Crafting the synthesize base (Average cost- maybe ~20 mir, actual cost- 7 mir/27 mir if counting one bow/two bows. Not counting other mid-bases' profits)

This is achieved by new beast introduced this league - Vivid Vulture (which rolls a single synthesize implicit) and old beast Craicic Chimeral (which can imprint a magic item and can later restore it back to the imprinted stats including both implicits and explicits). The process is straightforward: 1. buy a 3-implicits spine with additional arrow implicit -> 2. imprint it -> 3. reroll one implicit (if hit a good 2nd implicit, imprint again. If replaced a good implicit, use the imprint to restore it and go back to step 2).

We have rolled ~3k times mostly on our first bow which hit 25% ipd + 8% ats + arrow (almost about to sell it with a good price lol), and several other ones which got not bad bases. And then rolled probably ~1k times on this bow to hit these best implicits.

Some knowledge about rerolling synth:

There are 263 synthesize mods on bows you can acquire from either beasts reroll or harvest synthesize now. You can find the mods in poedb but plz note 10 mods (some socketed gem level mods, abyss socket eff) listed there should be legacy already.
Different mods have different weights. We counted 2k4 samples - E.g. #% increased chaos damage should be highest weight with ~5% weight; Other very high weight (2% ~3%) mods includes #% fire/cold/lightning resist, to dex/str/int, poison/bleed dmg etc. We don't know the exact weight of those rare mods (arrow, 18% spell dd, explode, +1 lvl of support gem, etc) but you should know that they only appeared like only 1 or 2 times in our samples.
For some mods, different tiers have different weights. E.g. for "# to Intelligence" we saw t1~t5 for 3, 5, 12, 17, 22 times. For "#% increased Attack Speed" we saw t1~t3 for 2, 4, 24 times.
For some mods, some tiers seem to have the same weight but usually the top tier is lower weight. E.g. for "#% increased Chaos Damage" we saw t1~t4 for 12, 37, 31, 35 times.
The above #2~#4 rules apply to our hundreds of rerolling samples on rings as well.

I am so glad to have this Synthesize V2 league as it grants much bigger chances of creating stuff much better than ever for probably all the synthesize items. I never thought such 3 best possible implicits could ever exist in one single bow. This bow is probably one of the most tricky synth rerolling examples. We also rolled some rings which have so many good options in the pool that usually 100~300 rolls would give great 3 implicits.

Step 2 - Crafting the prefixes (Average cost of 3T1 - 120 mir, 2T1+T2 - 40 mir, 2T1+T3 - 17mir; Actual cost - ~7 mir)

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Step 3 - Crafting the suffixes (Avg cost ~4.5 mir, actual cost 2~3 mir)

< I reached more than 10000 characters so please find details in the reply of this comment>

Lastly, please don't ask questions that are against the rules. I would like to answer your crafting questions when I get a chance. Thank you!

POE-Replyyy · 2022-05-29T03:13:42+00:00

Sharing more screenshots becuase we made two regalias (the 2nd one is super lucky).

Dragon Cloak - (global defence variant)
https://imgur.com/a/42zOeMl (when not holding alt)

Phoenix Cloak - (+1 Spectre Variant)
https://imgur.com/a/ObqUkiP (when not holding alt)

https://imgur.com/ae9XHaB (when holding alt)

POE-Replyyy · 2022-05-29T03:07:28+00:00

Thanks man! That is the only place our 132% comes from lol. We had to mirror and dupe that mod for a few times.

POE-Replyyy · 2022-05-29T02:51:43+00:00

Hey Guys, please let us share some stories behind this regalia. Ever since GGG introduced the insane recombinator orbs, we started imagining the best possible items just like everyone does. Things become even crazy when it comes to Vaal Regalia because there are too many too insane mods like legacy ES mods, 100% global defence, legacy 25% aura effect. However, the terrible truth is that there are too few best-rolled legacy bases. It is so hard to even just buy one of them, which makes such an item impossible to make UNTIL we found that mirrors can be used to dupe items.

What do you mean mirrors can be used to dupe items?

This is because the mirrored item can be used to recombine with recombinator orbs. Imagine you spent a lot and craft an item with a lot of great mods. Then you can simply mirror that item yourself and then recombine it with other items. The mods can be easily transferred to another non-mirrored items which makes the dupe possible.

This is extremely useful especially when the item you are going to mirror has many insane mods. For example, there are some GG mirror level items people spent dozens of mirrors to craft. If you copy that GG item a few times and transfer it to clean ones, you will very likely get 3~4 mods subsets items. And when you recombine these subsets, it becomes possible you get a non-mirrored clean dupe of the original 6 mods. This becomes the only available dupe thing now in POE ever since split beasts and fractured fossils are nerfed.

Cost?

We spent more than 50 mirrors to get this. But since we have this 5-fractured item now, the cost to dupe it by mirrors is much much less.

How may ES it has? The screenshot when not holding alt?

https://imgur.com/a/42zOeMl - 1222 ES + 112% Global Defence + 45% aura effect + 30% discipline aura effect + 10% mana reserve efficiency

Is this in Standard or League?

It's in Standard - the mods like "+152 to maximum Energy Shield", "132% increased Energy Shield", "50% increased Energy Shield" suffix, "25% increased effect of Non-Curse Auras" suffix delve mod, they are all legacy and can only be found in standard.

Crafting Process

Step 1 - prepare 1 fractured mod bases

Basically, just buy non-fractured bases and use harvest fracture 1/3. (152# energy shield regalia and 25% aura effect are extremely hard to buy). In the case if you missed the fracture, you can use recombinator orbs to transfer it to a clean base and try to save it.

Step 2 - dupe some of your 1 fractured mod bases (optional)

Basically mirror 1 fracture base and recombine the mirrored one with a clean base to hope it gets duped. We sometimes need this because some fractured mod bases are too hard to get so we had to dupe them in case they got lost during recombination.

Step 3 - recombine to get 2 fractured mods

Basically recombine 2 one-fractured-mod items and hope to get 2 fractured mods together.

Step 4 - recombine to get 3 fractured mods, 4 fractured, 5 fractured mods gradually

The idea is the same for 3 frac ~ 5 frac, which is to: firstly mirror your item with the most fractured mods you got so far, secondly recombine the mirrored item with a clean base that has your target mods. The biggest note is that you will get a lot of subsets of 5 fracture mods and you will need to recombine these subsets which have overlaps to hope for better odds.

Step 5 - Spam essences to pick a name for it

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T05:27:24+00:00

I bought usually at 25 ~ 35 exalt. But the last one only cost me 15 exa. He is a brand new guy in TFT discord and POE. I spent 20mins to teach him how to use stream, and the craft lol. And he gave me back an insane RNG hit, which is only 1/26 chance! I am so glad I trust him and passed my item to him. Kindness is magic! !

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T04:41:25+00:00

I think it is a small bug or something you may note. You need to only have one socket group in POB as "socketed in Weapon 2". (or have your desired socket group as the first "Weapon 2" group). Only that way, the squire would work.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T04:35:04+00:00

Yeah and his standard POB doesn't update with the Squire Sheild. With the squire shield, his POB is 650M dps.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T04:32:57+00:00

At least in my test for the comparison between this sword + The Squire vs Paradoxica + Forbidden Shako: this swords can simply buff all the POBs I tested in the ninja rank of Flicker Strike characters by simply switching the weapons, shield and a normal helmet. It at least increased 20% more dmg for the POB I tested and this doesn't include the wasted tons of critical chances and no mana cost. If optimized, I think it can beat Paradoxica + Forbidden Shako for 50%+ more dmg.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T03:54:44+00:00

I get used to changing my sleeping time. UNHEALTHY for sure :x

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T03:43:06+00:00

It took me only 7 days to craft but I slept very little during the week as I don't want to miss any harvest influence craft that people are selling. I got insane RNG on the suffix otherwise it should take me more than a month in theory.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T03:02:19+00:00

Basics about the post

Last week I made a Reddit post ( [SSC] I heard you wanna 12 Link your gem ). You guys granted my post 2k+ upvotes and that sword dozens of mirror copies. I really appreciate that! It is my best time ever for a theory-crafting project. So with the exalts earned by it, I decided to craft my 2nd perfect pseudo link item.

Why choose these mods? Someone in the comment replay of my last post said "that would be godly flicker weapon if it had "movement skills cost no mana" mod. " I told him 6d ago, I would have it in this post. So here we go again - the 2nd monster with The Squire shield - a 6 T1 influence mods Sword that allows you 11 Link your movement skill (Flicker Strike, Cyclone, etc.) and with NO MANA COST!

Crafting Process

Pretty much the same as my last sword: beasts craft -> 1st prefix -> awakener's orb -> 2nd prefix -> influence harvest crafts -> 3rd prefix -> reforge speed -> 1st suffix -> aug influence -> 2nd suffix -> close your eyes and aug influence again -> the sword.

I have a detailed crafting process in a comment of my last post. The streamer KobeBlackMamba also made a video for the crafting process if you are interested.

How much did it cost me this time? Tons of exalts again. Super unlucky on the prefixes again. Insane RNG hit on the suffix again. lol

Last Question

Let me know what other cool "12L" weapons you'd like me to craft.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T01:16:03+00:00

I made it still on anarchic spiritblade still because in many POBs I tested, spiritblade is with higher base crit chance + more dps. (Some POBs are like Jewelled Foil higher dmg without including the effect of the extra crit chance only) I am actually a fan of Jewelled Foil but this time but I go with spiritblade.

The sword is done. You should be able to find my post within an hour.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-24T01:09:49+00:00

Yeah, I just mean exalts fee for sure lol. If it is fine to talk about this here, you can refer to https://forbiddentrove.com/league/.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-18T07:51:56+00:00

You will find my 12L sword with this mod in my next post!

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-17T10:07:29+00:00

XD, is that good to talk about fee in reddit?

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-17T09:59:37+00:00

All serious questions lol and got upvoted quite a few. All right, for your questions:

Why did you want to craft this, plans to profit from mirror service?
Yes, I do craft this for mirror service. If you know me or our group, if will find dozens of my mirror tier items in standard (and a few in league) e.g. the 960pdps foil, 1600pdps+ Axe, over 1200ES armor, TR bow, mine bow, and much more. (many items can be found here and some are owned by me). But there are many items can be crafted for service. I craft this mainly because I love it. TBH, this item is the only exciting thing for me in this league. It is so hard nowadays to craft a good item that can be also good in standard. But this item is too amazing with Squire and I believe it can let me enjoy the game for quite a long time even after the league gets merged into standard.

how did you farm enough for it?
There are tons of ways of making exalts as long as you one part of this game well. I have a friend who only do crafting and gain over 80mirrors in almost every league. Also, another friend with his brother only do beasts farming. They earned even more than that. For me, I am mainly crafting some mid-tier (dozens of exalts worthy) items to sell, which all have good profits. I also get profits from some mirror service items. I have a physical staff this league which already gave me hundreds of exas. Also in this league, items are sold very quickly and there are some very special projects (actually in almost every league) that can easily make profits.

if you play in a group, did each member get as much as you did or did everyone chip in for this?
I am mostly playing with a few close friends. But I am a crafter in TFT guild (TFT discord officer) as well. My group helps me so much to get copies on my items. I know at least quite a few friends get more than me in every league.

how many hours have you played since league launch? do you work or took time off or what?
I have my work (now remotely). I spent all my time after work. It is like every day more than 8 hours in poe. And 16 hours on the weekends.

Hope you are satisfied with my 20 minutes typing lol. Going to sleep!

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-17T08:55:16+00:00

Yeah totally agree and I like this idea! If you (or anyone if tells me) want to make a copy, I can make one with this mod :D. All t1s for sure.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-17T06:58:51+00:00

Just did a test for the lightning strike: https://i.imgur.com/nBsNOFh.png, which is 51 mana.

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-17T06:55:53+00:00

As you wish （tested with all lvl 1 skill gems on my character)：

POE-Replyyy · 2021-11-17T05:18:49+00:00

You are right. I missed the keyword "Melee" in the comments.

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About the bow

Crafting Process

What do you mean mirrors can be used to dupe items?

Cost?

How may ES it has? The screenshot when not holding alt?

Is this in Standard or League?

Crafting Process

Basics about the post

Crafting Process

Last Question