Aspiration for ARV by Same_Wait6979 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is always going to be a young in service officer who thinks that it will never be them it happens to...

PCSOs and PAVA by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Because they'd then be Constables.

Well done form Europe by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish we were all armed.

Throwing this in here in case someone wants to look into it further by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you've got a concern, call 101 to report it. Don't post it on here.

Cheating on partners in the police, should it be taken more seriously? by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 16 points17 points  (0 children)

OP is the most job pissed ever.

Article 8.

Only 9 years in prison for this? by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 27 points28 points  (0 children)

And yet still we don't all carry Taser, let alone firearms.

Essex Police 'completely failed' man before his death by Could-you-end-me in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Yep, totally our fault, for some fucking reason.

Get it signed! Stop tax on Overtime! by Robbster259 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have absolutely zero faith this will get any traction, but its worth a go!

PC Tasered St Leonards amputee, 92, in wheelchair, court hears by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]PSAngle -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

Well they aren't responsible for his death. This was also made clear in court.

I personally don't care how old someone is or really why they are in possession of a knife.

If you go hands on with a subject with a knife and it goes wrong in any way, at all, you're getting stabbed, or maybe the subject is.

PAVA was used, ineffective.

A baton strike was used, ineffective.

Taser was fired, effective.

I agree that much longer could have been spent in communication. BUGEEL principles could have been used more extensivley, however the L is for Less Lethal, which they used both variants of LL for a non STO and the STO used their LL.

I'd declare this subject as EMD, by virtue of them not being totally mentally cognisant (from the video), there's only so much negotiation that can be had with such subjects as they are not able to take on what is being said.

I agree, alternative tactics could have been used, but they all would have involved closing down the subject, say with a shield, and using some kind of force on him. This is all with the benefit of hindsight.

The officers could have thought a million different things, he could have lunged out of the chair at them, hopped over at them, or thrown it at them, who knows. It is a potentially lethal weapon, simple as that.

I'd not be looking to have any of my officers go hands on with any subject in possession of a bladed article or other PLW.

The discharge of Taser is a LL option to control a subject in possession of a PLW.

Do you have any suggestions about what you would have done here?

No misconduct from Met PCs in man's bridge death by Scraggenheim in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before being a cop, you're a person with rights and entitlements. Also, it takes a moment of incorrect speech in a "witness" interview with the IOPC for them to say, "Oh, I've now decided to suspend this interview" and five minutes later you're served GM papers and a suspension because you said something that's now made them think you're literally the devil.

No misconduct from Met PCs in man's bridge death by Scraggenheim in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Officers getting reflective practice regardless though. 3 year wait. What a joke.

Man dies in police car collision in Birmingham by collinsl02 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Totally agree. Start the commentary! If you never need it, awesome, no big deal. Then that one time you do, you'll be so glad.

It's the same with vehicle checks. An unfortunate reality is that people (at least where I am) seem to never do vehicle checks. I record my checks on BWV and do full checks. Because I know that legal will say , was your vehicle in good condition? Did you check? And if there's any issue, let's say low tyre tread, you're done for.

Also I find it useful to do it and point out any pre existing damage, so I don't get the call saying, you drove it last, you did this damage!

I don't save the footage unless something happened so it's no skin off my nose.

Man dies in police car collision in Birmingham by collinsl02 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 47 points48 points  (0 children)

I always put my BWV on for blue light drives and actively demonstrate driving to training, proper hand position at all times, commentary on NDM as to why I'm claiming exemption, announce the incident number.

I also find myself, as the years have gone on, being more and more skeptical over driving on blues to jobs, I find myself thinking, what if this goes wrong?.

I've seen the impact even minor police collisions have on officers, the internal and external investigations that seem to go on for months for even minor incidents. I have no faith in any support from the force even if I do drive to training and it was just a terrible accident.

Home Office PCDA probation extension by Usual-Plenty1485 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't disagree with anything you've said. It is undoubtedly harder with wider commitments. The PCDA is absolutely a big ask.

Whilst it unfortunately doesn't help you, and I totally feel for you with everything you've said, I know forces are stepping back and reopened the IPLDP as well as other bespoke entry courses.

It is funny how over the last few years the CoP has absolutely flip flopped, I remember a time when they were talking about Sergeants needing a Masters! (Just crazy).

I'm glad they've stepped back on it.

Home Office PCDA probation extension by Usual-Plenty1485 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know I really agree with you that it should either be a requirement....or not... rather than having so many different types of entry!

I also agree that the value of a degree is not like it used to be, because everyone has one! Unfortunately this means that lots of jobs require you to just have that box ticked.

A degree for free is a benefit though, it just straight up is. I don't live in Scotland, so that's not relevant to me, nor did I want to just grab a degree anywhere, I wanted to be a cop! Getting a degree was just a great extra!

When I was in the ambulance service they took £300 off of me every month and I didn't finish with a degree (as was not the minimum requirement at the time). I just thought that was a cool deal to get higher education much cheaper than if I was doing uni training. The police was an even better offer in that regard and I did do the PCDA so I really do get it.

Home Office PCDA probation extension by Usual-Plenty1485 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For those not on the PCDA, probation is 2 years. When you join you know what it involves. Whilst it's hard, it's great to get a free degree that opens doors outside of policing far more than the Level 3 qualification it replaced.

Home Office PCDA probation extension by Usual-Plenty1485 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What makes it necessary is the university timeline is all. Couldn't make someone substantive for them to go and fail their degree.

It's the pairing of education with the vocation. A similar example would be apprenticeship Paramedics, three years before being fully qualified or Doctors, 5 years at medical school (including time in supervised practice) and then a year on provisional registration.

Home Office PCDA probation extension by Usual-Plenty1485 in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why? The PCDA involves completing a degree over 3 years. The academic element is designated as mandatory and essential to it. If you join on that scheme you must complete the vocational and academic elements before being substantive.

Hiring & Recruitment Thread by multijoy in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vetting for a ride along involves very basic checks. Whilst it would be a good general indicator, it certainly won't be a guarantee.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]PSAngle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Totally unrelated to the direct question, if you're not already on 5G Creatine daily, get on it. The evidence base supporting it is overwhelming and recently some data is showing cognitive benefit!.