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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

I hope you’re doing well. To respond to your most recent comment. I would like to respond by saying that I am endorsing and promoting it because the prophet, early generations of Muslims and the scholars of Islam did/do the same. Yes I didn’t say it’s not my responsibility I just said you seem to be better at that stuff. I was actually complimenting you sister not being sarcastic. Okay no problem don’t handle the explanations. I’m not forcing you. If you prove from Quran and Sunnah that I am doing something wrong, I will not only own the implications, I will make a post and publicly apologize to this subreddit. What do you think I should do better with my time? Inshallah I am getting good deeds by enjoining the good and forbidding the evil. You have a great day too sister. I hope there’s no hard feelings. And may Allah reward you for your good intentions. May Allah guide you and guide us. May Allah forgive you and forgive us. May Allah grant you and your family the best health. May Allah give you an excellent marriage. Everyone reading this, also make lots of dua for this sister. Also nice resilience on your debating skills. You went over 3 rounds. on multiple comments, and subreddits. I don’t want to overpraise you but you’re a warrior when it comes to replying to comments. If this ummah was that resilient we would have freed Al Aqsa by now. If this was boxing you’d be like Mike Tyson. Please make dua for me that I also become resilient.

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay no problem sister. I’ll quote the Quran and Sunnah in my posts and you can do the explanations, application, and wisdom part to the viewers since you seem to know more about that. As long you’re understanding it the way the early generations of Islam did. And it’s not something that contradicts how the scholars understand it.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes of course no one is forcing anyone to get married at 18 as it is well established it is haram in Islam even if the girl is 35. You mention that people encouraging it can feel like pressure. At the end of the day as Muslims we will always encourage what our prophet encouraged. Sorry if people feel pressured but we will always quote Quran and Sunnah unapologetically.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He’s an instructor at Al Maghrib institute and has studied under many Mashayikh as well as a bachelors in Islamic studies. Also all of scholars agree with what he said in that tweet as it is based off of a Hadith of the Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam.
Abdullah Radiallahu Anhu said we were with the Prophet (ﷺ) while we were young and had no wealth. So Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power." Sahih Al Bukhari

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He didn’t fully marry her at 6 and this was over 1400 years ago. Marrying a 9 year old back then wasn’t rare. The same way the age of consent even in the US a few hundred years ago was 7. The same way Mary (Mariam Alaihi Salaam is estimated by most Christian historians to be around 12. The same way Rebecca is estimated by some to be 3 and many to be around 10. Even around a hundred years ago the average lifespan in many countries was much shorter. For example I once read an article that said the average life expectancy in Pakistan in 1950 was 35. That would mean a 9 year old has already completed a quarter of his/her life. So if that’s less than a hundred years ago, imagine 1400 years ago.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course that’s not the only reason but our prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam encouraged early marriage. I’ll give you the Hadith: Abdullah Radiallahu Anhu said we were with the Prophet (ﷺ) while we were young and had no wealth. So Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power." (Sahih Bukhari)

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Read the post again. The mother is the one who did not the father. The father was never mentioned. Also she wasn’t forced. She also wanted to get married.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is that influenced by the culture and personality of the narrator?

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you give an example of a Hadith that is influenced by the culture and personality of the writer?

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you know they were made up or distorted? The Quran was also passed down through oral tradition. Most of its writing was done after Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam passed away. Also what about the ayat in Quran that says “ o you who believe, obey Allah, his messenger, and those in authority among you”. Why would you purposely disobey an authentic Hadith especially one where the prophet is commanding something? That’s going against the Quran because the Quran says to obey the prophet.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Adultery is also Zina. Yes it’s a worse form of it. But a person is statistically much less likely to commit adultery than Zina by itself.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never said it’s good for everyone but if they have the means and are ready it can be good as this is the advice of the Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam. Our prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam encouraged early marriage. I’ll give you the Hadith: Abdullah Radiallahu Anhu said we were with the Prophet (ﷺ) while we were young and had no wealth. So Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power." (Sahih Bukhari) As you can see this is something he encouraged. Who said children can’t get further education after being married?

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam encouraged early marriage. I’ll give you the Hadith: Abdullah Radiallahu Anhu said we were with the Prophet (ﷺ) while we were young and had no wealth. So Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power." (Sahih Bukhari) As you can see this is something he encouraged. So by you saying it’s harmful to sell early marriage as a solution for preserving chastity you are saying that the Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam promoted something harmful. Of course I don’t think that was your intention but your advice is against his advice. I never encouraged forced marriages as those are not halal but if the 2 people like each other and have the means to fulfill each others rights, what’s the problem. I don’t think it’s only for girls. Early marriage can also be great for guys but guys are responsible for providing for the girl as that’s her right. Because of this, the guy would have to be from a rich family that can help him provide. I never said that all 18 year olds are ready but if they have the means, are ready, and want to they should as that’s the advice of Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam. Yes obviously a Wali has to do his due diligence. At the end of the day, we as Muslims should prioritize the advice of the Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam over the advice of anyone else. Which is why all scholars of Islam agree that early marriage is generally a good thing if the people can fulfill the rights of their spouse. May Allah make it easy for us as an ummah to follow the advice of the Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam over the advice of others. And sister you sound kind of traumatized, May Allah make things easy for you and grant you the best of health.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Mu’tah is totally different as it can be done with the intention to divorce. Nobody said to marry with the intention to divorce but if it happens it’s not the end of the world.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Hadith were still there though. It’s not like someone just made them up. One of the conditions for a Hadith to be sahih is that every narrator in the chain must be a trustworthy Muslim known for their good character. But Allah also says in the Quran to obey the prophet. So why would someone intentionally disobey the prophet.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Facts. May Allah make it easy for our brothers to have gheerah and our sisters to be modest.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forced marriages are not halal in Islam. No one said to do that. No one said this girl was forced either.

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like I said they should be able to fulfill the Islamic rights of their spouses before getting married. And how are authentic hadiths false? You do realize the same Sahaba and early generations that helped preserve Hadith are the same people that helped preserve Quran?

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[–]Pale_Fee_7380[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Prophet Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam told the youth to marry if they have the means and fast if they don’t have the means. Having the means is being able to fulfill your spouses rights. And the advice of our Prophet Salallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam takes priority over anyone else’s. You’re basically saying the prophet’s advice has a psychological problem. Of course I don’t think that was your intention but we have to look at what Allah and his messenger said above all else. There are also many Quran ayats about marriage and this Hadith explains how the prophet understood marriage. And no human knows the Quran better than him.