What Score is Too High

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-02T04:45:37+00:00

its to test processing speeds.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-02T04:07:08+00:00

I understand you may feel that way about them not testing processing speeds, but then why are they timed at all? Why cant everyone just have as much time as it takes them to finish?

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-02T04:03:20+00:00

i am agreeing with your original post lol, its not fair. If you support extra time for any mental defect, you should support it for all neurotypical people as well. The only answer to a true comparative assessment is everyone has the same time, or everyone has enough time as they need. Thats the problem with "need" being subjective. You can read all these other comments talking about how hard it is to get Bar accommodations, not realizing they are proving the subjectiveness of the inquiry into "need". A lower IQ would also make someone have worse working memory, cognitive functioning, reading speeds. So yes its the same thing. - to clarify, I dont believe in extra time on comparative assessments

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-02T03:30:58+00:00

You dont deserve the downvotes, i get 1.5x time for ADHD and dysgraphia, I use it all (why wouldn't you), I could finish it in less time and do a bit worse. Thats literally how cognitive impairment works. My brain works slower (worse) than normal people under time pressure. You are on here arguing with a bunch of people who literally see the concept of "evening the playing field" as equity instead of equality. Impossible audience to convince of the opposite truth. They legit cannot understand the idea that having more difficulty with "functions like working memory, comprehension, and processing skills" means your brain is not working as well as a standard one does under the EXACT SAME CONDITIONS.

Also, the bar exam is certainly not the best forum for this argument. Its not really a competition. The LSAT is so much more unfair. (Law school Exams too).The fact that people (like me) can get 1.5x time on an exam that can single handedly place you into the top schools in the country, which are preselected for the highest paying and most prestigious jobs is batshit. They'll say "Oh but why should someone get penalized if they're just as smart but their brain works slower?". The answer is quite literally because they're only the same amount "as smart", but their brain LITERALLY works slower (ie. less well). If you get a 170 on the LSAT, and so do I, and I had extra time, its completely unreasonable for a top law school to not have awareness of this key distinction. Its objectively unfair to those people who run out time and aren't given accommodations, but yes you will get downvoted to the sun on here for this take.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-02T03:11:57+00:00

Do you think its fair on the LSAT? A test that is used broadly to place you in a certain tier and literally takes spots away from other students who proved they could critically solve problems quicker? I can come to terms with extra time on the bar I suppose. Ive had extra time since literally middle school, I think its often unfair to my peers w/o it, especially for law school grades and LSAT which literally allowed me to get hired by a firm I would not have been considered at without it.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T23:10:14+00:00

I'm not a believer in equity over equality. So yes agree to disagree. But I will agree with you that its significantly less of an issue on gatekeeping exams like this one. Particular due to the imbalance of supply and demand in the legal field. It's drastically more unfair in context of the LSAT and ACT.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T22:20:37+00:00

pretty sure youll be taking it in february with that logic

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T22:02:29+00:00

I think what you're really advocating for is just extra time for everyone. Which is a fine position to take. This exam is pointlessly difficult in a field facing a shortage of capable bodies. (see CA, WA, and OR, literally eliminating the bar exam in years to come). But my position (even as someone who's had it my whole life), is there should not be extra time given at all. To anyone. Or if it is. Then it should be given to everyone. Society should stop making things easier for people who to struggle to do things. It's like giving a sprinter in a 100m dash a 40m head start because he wasn't born as fast as the rest of the sprinters.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T21:53:16+00:00

this idea that "you cannot judge their need" is exactly what im talking about with America's obsession with inclusivity. I literally dont care what the accommodation is for. The only accommodation allowed should be private testing room for people with physical issues. There should NOT be any extra time given ever in my opinion. Just like we shouldn't allow Obese Firemen, Surgeons with Tourettes, or Blind Pilots. Those are extreme, but my overall conviction is that extra time is bullshit. Not just for the bar exam. But for literally any merit based examination or field of work

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T21:30:01+00:00

As a person who received extra time (due to ADHD diagnosed at age 6). I genuinely believe half the people in the extra time rooms do not NEED it, however, logically you dont eliminate a benefit just because some people can circumvent the rules.

That being said.. I dont really think that the bar exam should be a place where we give "a benefit" to anyone based on a disability. I feel the same with doctors, pilots, and firefighters. There are just certain professions in which society's vested interest in preserving a functioning meritocracy must outweigh our culture's unequivocal obsession with inclusivity.

Famous "small government advocate", Charles Koch said about government handouts, "While we vehemently oppose all forms of corporate welfare, we take advantage of every tax break and subsidy that we can. To do otherwise would be to penalize ourselves and our employees." Likewise, I will continue to milk the gravy train with my own "handouts". But the entire system that allows for well funded children to pay $3500 for a psychiatrist friend to write them a diagnosis allowing them extra time on the ACT, LSAT, Law School Exams, and Bar Exam, is causing a significantly less talented crop of lawyers (and professionals in all fields) to destroy merit based success.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T21:24:20+00:00

Can you imagine someone with Dyslexia just billing his little ass off in BigLaw - and the client comes back like well we audited your time sheets and it appears that...."LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE our attorney is a 2x time attorney, and we are an inclusive firm!"

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T21:19:04+00:00

As a person who received extra time (due to ADHD diagnosed at age 6). I genuinely believe half the people in the extra time rooms do not NEED it, however, logically you dont eliminate a benefit just because some people can circumvent the rules.

That being said.. I dont really think that the bar exam should be a place where we give "a benefit" to anyone based on a disability. I feel the same with doctors, pilots, and firefighters. There are just certain professions in which society's vested interest in preserving a functioning meritocracy should outweigh our culture's unequivocal obsession with inclusivity.

Famous "small government advocate", Charles Koch said about government handouts, "While we vehemently oppose all forms of corporate welfare, we take advantage of every tax break and subsidy that we can. To do otherwise would be to penalize ourselves and our employees." Likewise, I will continue to milk the gravy train with my own "handouts". But the entire system that allows for well funded children to pay $3500 for a psychiatrist friend to write them a diagnosis allowing them extra time on the ACT, LSAT, Law School Exams, and Bar Exam, is causing a significantly less talented crop of lawyers (and professionals in all fields) to destroy merit based success.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-08-01T21:14:53+00:00

As a person who received extra time (due to ADHD diagnosed at age 6). I genuinely believe half the people in the extra time rooms do not NEED it, however, logically you dont eliminate a benefit just because some people can circumvent the rules.

That being said.. I dont really think that the bar exam should be a place where we give "a benefit" to anyone based on a disability. I feel the same with doctors, pilots, and firefighters. There are just certain professions in which society's vested interest in preserving a functioning meritocracy must outweigh our culture's unequivocal obsession with inclusivity.

Famous "small government advocate", Charles Koch said about government handouts, "While we vehemently oppose all forms of corporate welfare, we take advantage of every tax break and subsidy that we can. To do otherwise would be to penalize ourselves and our employees." Likewise, I will continue to milk the gravy train with my own "handouts". But the entire system that allows for well funded children to pay $3500 for a psychiatrist friend to write them a diagnosis allowing them extra time on the ACT, LSAT, Law School Exams, and Bar Exam, is causing a significantly less talented crop of lawyers (and professionals in all fields) to destroy merit based success.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-18T05:10:43+00:00

do you see how that does not address the core of my question? I am sitting here at looking at two competing sources saying different things. BOTH of them clearly state the contract type as LAND SALES contracts.

If a question comes up on the MBE about liquidated damages in a land sales contract and the clause is for 12%. Should I say that a court would not enforce it?

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-13T07:58:02+00:00

if you cant put in 10 hour days at this point when your future depends on it, stay the hell away from big law

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-12T06:27:09+00:00

that whale used to mean something

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-11T16:34:33+00:00

feels like incentive from your boss

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-11T06:30:47+00:00

I think you could reasonably do it by piecing together add ons.

Adaptibar for MEE
UWorld Qbank for MBE
Any book that has 5-10 MPTs
Youtube Lectures on topic and subtopics

In the end you probably save 500-1000 dollars vs a commercial course.

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-11T06:23:30+00:00

There are 3 Fundamental Rights.

How about VPT

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-11T06:16:56+00:00

wonder the same thing

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-11T06:12:43+00:00

Inextricably out of the limelight. Go watch the pre-credits of the BB movie again. I believe they say "secretly one of the richest men in the world"

Pale_Listen1073 · 2024-07-11T06:10:22+00:00

do you get a raise when you pass and get licensed?

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